ATP & WTA rankings of the 25th best Brits over time

paulisi · Tennis legend

RE: ATP & WTA rankings of the 25th best Brits over time

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

But Ash has his big 15 pointer coming off on 11 Aug.

And another 15 pointer a couple of weeks later on 8 september.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Correct - he will have to play well in the two 15ks in Canada(might be seeded). I'm not sure what his plans are after that. Maybe Mexico

Spectator · All-time great

Just for the fun of it, I looked at numbers of women in the top 150 by country. To make things a bit more equal in terms of populations from which the numbers were drawn, I put Czech Republic and Slovakia together (not least because the player development was inherited from a united system) and also the former Yugoslav Republics. I didn't reconstitute the USSR - a limit to how much of the post-Cold-War fragmentation one can undo ... and besides, the countries involved are often quite substantial in themselves.

Interesting results: top ones were Italy and Spain with 6, Germany 8, Czech Republic alone 9, Russia 10, Former Yugoslav Republics 11, "Czechoslovakia" 15, US 21. If you did it per head of population, Belgium, the Czechs and Slovaks, Serbia and Croatia are way overperforming. France struck me as surprisingly low, especially given its success on the men's side (14). Spain is also much stronger for men (15) than for women. And interesting that Australia - with only four top-150 players - is a Fed Cup WG country.

philwrig · Hall of fame

Worth noting that Australia have acquired another asset in Croatia's number 1 player Tomljanovic. I believe that Spain don't fund their lady players to the same extent that they fund their men.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

France are still suffering the after effects of a pretty disasterous (IMHO) training/detection policy as regards their women. (The policy was pretty much the same for the men but the 'ethos' of it suited the men better).

There are now a lot of younger women/girls coming through (those up to about 23 or so) who are the product of the 'new' regime who, in my opinion, will make their mark.

indiana · Tennis legend

With the way the points have distributed over the US Open fortnight, Liam has not made the top 300 as looked very possible. He is WR 307 and indeed Brydan just makes it at WR 300. Still, that is 9 in the top 300.

We have 12 in the top 400 with Josh M and Oli just outside at WRs 405 and 407 respectively, and 15 in the top 500.

Quite a major change in distribution in a year.

Now :
Top 300 : 9
Top 400 : 12
Top 500 : 15 ( 301 to 500 : 6 )

A year ago :
Top 300 : 3
Top 400 : 12
Top 500 : 19 ( 301 to 500 : 16 )

Overall, I'd definitely say that the movements of the top 10 and having 9 now in the top 300 significantly outweigh the drop in the top 500 numbers, but it would be good to have the likes of Richard ( who will also drop out the top 500 next week ), Luke, Ashley, Neil and George C push on as well as looking to some newer names.

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

Do you have a similar sort of breakdown/comparison for the women?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

If you look at Steven's top 25 table, and then press the '52 weeks ago' tab (top left), you'll see the situation today and exactly one year ago (really useful function, steven !)

www.britishtennis.net/gbtop25f/currentf.htm

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

paulisi wrote:
Looking at the girls 15 inside the top 500 is definitely a target for next year.

Already have 11 and the likes of Anna S, Lucy, Katie, Katy and Mel could make it.

10 months on paulisi and only one extra woman in the top 500. Sadly, although there's 2 or 3 looking likely to break in, there's an equal number waiting to drop out. Main difference a year on is that there is not a massive ranking gap just below the 500 mark.

Now:

Top 300 - 5 (Heather, Joanna, Naomi B, Tara, Laura)

Top 400 - 7 (Katy D, Emily W)

Top 500 - 12 (Amanda, Katie B, Sam, Anna, Jade)

A year ago:

Top 300 - 8

Top 400 - 10

Top 500 - 11

indiana · Tennis legend

The longer term for the women though, to my mind, is very encouraging.

There is such a good group of junior girls from the 1996s do the 1999s.

I really do hope that most can continue generally upwards to be all they can be and without unnecessary obstacles put in their way. Because, while the sheer number of promising junior girls excites me, the transition from juniors to seniors so often does not go as well as hoped.

paulisi · Tennis legend

I certainly think some of the older players may come back once fit - Jade, Sam, Lisa, Cav. The women's game is very encouraging and would be better if there were more opportunities to play tournaments in GB.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Looking at end of year rankings for men, assuming 70pts is top 500 - the following will automatically be in the list:

points exclude current week
Murray 3135
J Ward 438 (474 -44 with 12pts to replace)
Kyle 197
Dan S 158
Evo 162
Cox 138
Corrie 145
Rice 118
Klein 119
Broady 126
Willis 84
A Ward 104
Milton 86

So just 13 guaranteed top 500 unless Bedene gets a passport

Of the remainder

Golding 55
Bambo 51
Gabb 36
Hewitt 54
Pauffley 37

So Bob's dream will almost certainly continue for another year. The rest are too far back unless they have four or five decent weeks. Jack C with 29pts looks the most likely candidate.

paulisi · Tennis legend

We now have 10 male players in the top 300 for the first time in a long while.

There are 24 girls in the top 1000 - I'm pretty sure we will have 25 girls within the top 900 at some stage in the next few months.

paulisi · Tennis legend

I wouldn't be surprised to have 15 women in the top 500 before the men get to 20.

Excluding Anna Smith and using next week's table

9 there already, plus Jade, Eleanor, Harriet, Izzy, Laura Robson and Naomi C (assuming Jade, Sam and Laura return)