Week 46 - ITF ($10K) - Edgbaston, UK Hard

Reeltime · Satellite level

RE: Week 46 - ITF ($10K) - Edgbaston, UK Hard

steven · Tennis legend

SF: DART, Harriet (GBR) WC 964 beat KINARD, Tori (USA) 687 by 3 & 2 biggrin

We kind of knew she would, didn't we! Voracova may prove a bit trickier though!

FI: DART, Harriet (GBR) WC 964 v VORACOVA, Renata (CZE) WR 297 (ex-top 75)

Jade on Voracova: "Lost 1 n 6 to top seed in semis .. Fair play opponent played well (and also knows every trick in the book) .. Anyway doubs final soon!"

-- Edited by steven on Saturday 17th of November 2012 01:24:34 PM

Peter too · Tennis legend

steven wrote:
indiana wrote:
Another great win for Harriet
Will take her into the GB top 20 on Monday week ( and GB no 18 on 19 ranking points if she wins her semi final ), which while she has done very well more really highlights the awful lack of depth, after about the first dozen, in GB women's tennis just now, even allowing for such as Sarah Borwell nicking so many players to American colleges. and a few long term injuries. Actually even tails off after the top 20, GB No 25 has 3 ranking points !
I know, it's a real shocker and keeps getting worse - this week was the first week that just 3 points has been enough to get in the GB top 25 (Jess Ren is just above the other players on 3 points on tiebreak because she has 1 point from a main tour event - a qr1 loss in Birmingham) and on Monday, when another point comes off Alexandra Walker's total, all 5 Brits who are equal last on the ranking list (i.e. 3 points from 3 ITFs) will share 25th place (you'll see how I get around not giving them all separate lines when the new table comes out) and it will get worse again when one of Nicola George's points drops off on Monday week.

On Monday week you will also have to cope with the addition to the rankings of Danielle Konotoptseva

Peter too · Tennis legend

F:Fitzpatrick(GBR)/Windley(GBR) 1 beat Kubicikova(CZE)/Skamlova(SVK) 2 6-2 6-3

Minor edit - switched set scores

-- Edited by steven on Saturday 17th of November 2012 03:06:40 PM

steven · Tennis legend

Peter too wrote:
steven wrote:
indiana wrote:
Another great win for Harriet
Will take her into the GB top 20 on Monday week ( and GB no 18 on 19 ranking points if she wins her semi final ), which while she has done very well more really highlights the awful lack of depth, after about the first dozen, in GB women's tennis just now, even allowing for such as Sarah Borwell nicking so many players to American colleges. and a few long term injuries. Actually even tails off after the top 20, GB No 25 has 3 ranking points !
I know, it's a real shocker and keeps getting worse - this week was the first week that just 3 points has been enough to get in the GB top 25 (Jess Ren is just above the other players on 3 points on tiebreak because she has 1 point from a main tour event - a qr1 loss in Birmingham) and on Monday, when another point comes off Alexandra Walker's total, all 5 Brits who are equal last on the ranking list (i.e. 3 points from 3 ITFs) will share 25th place (you'll see how I get around not giving them all separate lines when the new table comes out) and it will get worse again when one of Nicola George's points drops off on Monday week.

On Monday week you will also have to cope with the addition to the rankings of Danielle Konotoptseva

Yes, I know (and that's good, obviously smile ), I was meaning another drop in the number of ranked Brits with more than the minimum 3 points.

korriban · Challenger level

Peter too wrote:
steven wrote:
indiana wrote:
Another great win for Harriet
Will take her into the GB top 20 on Monday week ( and GB no 18 on 19 ranking points if she wins her semi final ), which while she has done very well more really highlights the awful lack of depth, after about the first dozen, in GB women's tennis just now, even allowing for such as Sarah Borwell nicking so many players to American colleges. and a few long term injuries. Actually even tails off after the top 20, GB No 25 has 3 ranking points !
I know, it's a real shocker and keeps getting worse - this week was the first week that just 3 points has been enough to get in the GB top 25 (Jess Ren is just above the other players on 3 points on tiebreak because she has 1 point from a main tour event - a qr1 loss in Birmingham) and on Monday, when another point comes off Alexandra Walker's total, all 5 Brits who are equal last on the ranking list (i.e. 3 points from 3 ITFs) will share 25th place (you'll see how I get around not giving them all separate lines when the new table comes out) and it will get worse again when one of Nicola George's points drops off on Monday week.

On Monday week you will also have to cope with the addition to the rankings of Danielle Konotoptseva

We already have JoKo, so Steven can call Danielle "DaKo" and be done with it.

I agree with all the comments about the points/world ranking needed to make the GB top 25, for men versus women (under 740 men over 1100 women). How this is changing over time recently (better for men, worse for women). And its even more interesting to compare this against some of the other European "tennis nations". For example you needed to be top 230 world ranking to make the French men top 25 a few weeks back!!! Scary.

Would be interesting to see a weekly tracker chart of how the men and women are doing on this, and how its changing over time (for better and worse) - its a brilliant measure of "strength in depth". I could easily imagine that to make the GB men's top 25 next year you'd need to be top 625-650 in the world - assuming Bambridge, Broady, Hewitt, Morgan and a few others keep on pushing.

steven · Tennis legend

Reeltime wrote:
There would be a justification for making the tables fb players in the top 1000, no?

Yes, that's the kind of thing I'm thinking of, but it would have to be a double cut-off (i.e. top 1000 and also in the GB top 25), otherwise I'd have to include 34 of the men now and I don't want to increase the size of either table any further (even if it temporariliy decreases the size of the other one) and that would still mean finding a new name (or changing it every few weeks), if you see what I mean.

DavidC · Tennis legend

SF: WINDLEY, Jade (GBR) [6] 497 lost to VORACOVA, Renata (CZE) [1] 297 1-6 6-7(5) cry

Jade was 5-0 up in the second set

Julia Carrot · All-time great

Unconfirmed that Harriet won her match and is into the final . Source = Twitter

philwrig · Hall of fame

Bullseye Harriet !!

Priesty · Challenger level

Anyone know what time the singles final is tomorrow? As I'm only an hour's drive away I might try and make it.

steven · Tennis legend

Priesty wrote:
Anyone know what time the singles final is tomorrow? As I'm only an hour's drive away I might try and make it.

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Priesty · Challenger level

steven wrote:

Priesty wrote:
Anyone know what time the singles final is tomorrow? As I'm only an hour's drive away I might try and make it.
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Will be otherwise engaged then

cheers anyway Steven

korriban · Challenger level

Steven. thanks for the stats and the new thread too

insomniacfolder · Challenger level

Final now on live scores (Bet365)
Start as you mean to go on Harriet! Breaks Voracova to 15 in the first game, *1-0

Three breaks in a row, *2-1

Make that four breaks in a row. Servers have won 4 points in total from the four games so far hmm , 2-2*

6 consecutive breaks, 6 total points for servers. 3-3*

-- Edited by insomniacfolder on Sunday 18th of November 2012 11:35:34 AM