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Helen40


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Thought I'd start a thread for the Olympics, and qualification criteria discussions appearing randomly.

Here's some info that I posted on the new Andy Murray forums.

According to current rankings Flem and Hutch would qualify, but not Andy/Jamie.


http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medi...6_original.PDF


[I]ITF and ATP announce Olympic ranking point agreement
The ITF and the ATP today announced an agreement to award singles ranking points for men at the
2012 Olympic Tennis Event in London at Wimbledon. This is the fourth successive Olympic Games
where men have received ranking points.
As a result of the agreement, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) will allow nations to
receive up to four entries into the mens singles and two entries into the mens doubles, with a
maximum number of six men per country on-site.
The ATP rankings of Monday 11 June 2012 will be used as the basis for determining the 56 direct
acceptances in the 64-player mens singles draw, subject to a maximum of four players per country
as well as existing eligibility requirements.
Six of the remaining eight singles places will be selected by the ITFs Olympic Committee taking
into consideration a players singles computer ranking and a geographic distribution of nations
entered, as well as two Tripartite Commission Invitations decided by the IOC, National Olympic
Committees and the ITF.
ATP rankings will also be used to determine the 24 direct entries in the 32-pair doubles draw,
subject to a maximum of two pairs per country and a maximum of six men per country in total.
Doubles players ranked in the Top 10 can receive direct acceptance into the event providing they
have an eligible partner. The remaining eight pairs will be selected by the ITFs Olympic Committee.
The womens singles event will also offer ranking points, with the same entry criteria used in the
womens singles and doubles events. Entries for the 16-pair mixed doubles event will be confirmed
on site.

Ranking Points (ATP / WTA)
Mens Singles
Gold Medal 750
Silver Medal 450
Bronze Medal 340
Loser 3rd/4th 270
Quarterfinals 135
Round of 16 70
Round of 32 35
1st round 5



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Helen40 wrote:

According to current rankings Flem and Hutch would qualify, but not Andy/Jamie.

Isn't that the wrong way round? According to http://bit.ly/lSzdPm, they take the better of singles or doubles ranking to decide doubles qualification, so Andy's 4 + Jamie's 32 would get them in easily but given the number of high-ranked singles players who want to play doubles as well at the Olympics, I doubt Colin and Ross would get in at all based on their current 41/48 rankings without a WC, and WCs aren't as easy to gve out to home players for the Olympics as they are for Wimbledon.

There is also a fair bit of jiggery-pokery in doubles selections for the Olympics because of the overall limits on the number of participants in the tennis event, so they tend to do everything they can to give first preference to singles players.

 



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steven wrote:
Helen40 wrote:

According to current rankings Flem and Hutch would qualify, but not Andy/Jamie.

Isn't that the wrong way round? According to http://bit.ly/lSzdPm, they take the better of singles or doubles ranking to decide doubles qualification, so Andy's 4 + Jamie's 32 would get them in easily but given the number of high-ranked singles players who want to play doubles as well at the Olympics, I doubt Colin and Ross would get in at all based on their current 41/48 rankings without a WC, and WCs aren't as easy to gve out to home players for the Olympics as they are for Wimbledon.

There is also a fair bit of jiggery-pokery in doubles selections for the Olympics because of the overall limits on the number of participants in the tennis event, so they tend to do everything they can to give first preference to singles players.

 

 Um, I don't think so, going by their current 'team' doubles ranking.

22 Fleming, Colin (GBR)
     Hutchins, Ross (GBR)     1,100    0    15     

 

And I might have misread, but I thought the the top 10 ranking to pick a partner referred to doubles rankings.



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You're right about the top 10 ranking thing - it is the one concession they make to the doubles specialists, designed to ensure that players who are in the top 10 of the doubles rankings individually get to play in the Olympics even if their normal doubles partner is from a different country. i.e. top 10 doubles players can choose a doubles partner from their own country even if that partner would not be ranked high enough to get them in together under normal circumstances.

That doesn't have anything to do with why Andy and Jamie would get in more easily though - the reason why they would get in more easily than Colin and Ross is that acceptance is based on individual doubles rankings or singles rankings if better. Team doubles rankings (which run from 1 Jan each year) are only used for the WTF, not for the Olympics.



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steven wrote:

You're right about the top 10 ranking thing - it is the one concession they make to the doubles specialists, designed to ensure that players who are in the top 10 of the doubles rankings individually get to play in the Olympics even if their normal doubles partner is from a different country. i.e. top 10 doubles players can choose a doubles partner from their own country even if that partner would not be ranked high enough to get them in together under normal circumstances.

That doesn't have anything to do with why Andy and Jamie would get in more easily though - the reason why they would get in more easily than Colin and Ross is that acceptance is based on individual doubles rankings or singles rankings if better. Team doubles rankings (which run from 1 Jan each year) are only used for the WTF, not for the Olympics.

 I see, the text is kinda ambiguous. I hope Flem and Hutch get in as a pair, and that they play together next year.



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Murray junior is in, official team announcement is on the 28th June.

http://www.teamgb.com/news/andy-murray-selected-team-gb-london-2012-olympics-1

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With Ross Hutchins dad as the GB tennis team leader you wouldnt be surprised if Ross did get in WC or not.



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I thought Flutchkins' ranking was high enough anyway.

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They should get in directly.

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adz1983 wrote:

With Ross Hutchins dad as the GB tennis team leader you wouldnt be surprised if Ross did get in WC or not.

Yes because if his Dad wasn't team leader he would like have no chance.



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