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RE: Week 40 Futures - Spain F36 ($15,000) - Cordoba (Hard)


thanks for the info, bit gone with that thought i would have done enough! Have to just win either glasgow or cardiff to make absolutely sure!!

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Well done this week Fitzy lad made up you'ved had another good week and another jump up the rankings. So hood to see a big jump for one of our lads this year.

Just as a thought and looking at costs for players has it ever been mooted about setting up a BritishTennis sponsorship group? I'm a member of Chester FC fans group that now owns the club and the income to help run the club has come from the donations of the fans. If we set up a group where we some of us donated funds into a kitty that we could use to help certain players and have the website emblazened on their t-shirts/websites? Could really help a player, esp someone like Fitzy that gives us so much insight but gets no funding from the LTA.

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Funny you should say that. I've often wondered if something collective might be possible too but never really thought it could get off the ground. However, maybe the fact that someone else (i.e. gazzpash) has actually put it into words on here means it's not quite as mad as it sounded in my head ... wink

There are obvious questions, such as would enough people be interested in it and able to contribute enough to make a worthwhile difference to even one player? ... even if it were possible to raise a worthwhile amount, how would decisions be made on how the money was used? ... and would we inadvertently create bad feeling by making such decisions? (much as we have a go at the LTA over some of their funding decisions, any collection of people deciding to support one player and not another are always going to be on a hiding to nothing)

Also, although many people here have a particular favourite player (and most if not all of us will have some players we prefer over others, especially those who are good enough to interact with us), as a forum we are relatively neutral in that we don't overtly favour some players over others - we want all of the Brits to fulfill their potential if they can.

So perhaps it is better to try and help in other ways - obvious examples would be forum members putting players in touch with potential sponsors if they know of any, or perhaps offering a spare room near a tournament to a player for a week to save them some money (as I believe happens at a number of the US Pro Tour events) - I've got no idea whether any players would be interested in that, but if we are looking for small ways to make a difference, that might be one.

Equally, if we keep on highlighting players' successes on here and on Twitter and and the odd journo picks up on that and writes about it often enough, there is a remote possibility that it might end up being one of the things that gives a player a slightly bigger chance of getting proper sponsorship at some point.

For example, only last week, Alex Ward got a mention on both the BBC site and in the Times as part of a successful week for the Brits, and, while I may be completely wrong, I reckon it's pretty unlikely that the media would have picked up on a Swedish 10K Futures title had we not indirectly drawn their attention to it. We shouldn't delude ourselves that anything like that is going to make a difference on its own, but any media coverage may be the random trigger that gets someone to notice a local player ... and one day that might just be someone who is in a position to influence a company's sponsorship decisions and the like, you just never know.

Equally, the easier we can make it to follow the lower-ranked players by helping to give people easier access to info, the more likely it is that this may turn up people who can help in whatever way.

Having said all that and probably appeared to rubbish gazzpash's idea (which, as the start of this post hopefully implied, isn't what I meant to do at all), maybe it is worth exploring the kind of thing gazzpash is talking about, just in case there is enough enthusiasm for the idea to make a go of it.



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All what Steven says about the problems trying to administer such a fund raiser is spot on and the suggestions of more beneficial helping ideas are correct. But.........................there is still the fact that sometimes people actually like to contribute to something directly as, quite simply it makes them feel good. A sense of pride it personally "doing their bit" and why not, it's good to hep directly.

It should be possible to pay into a fund by Direct Debit monthly but, the reality is that with a few people agreeing to reasonable nominal amounts (I certainly would), a total of £50 per month isn't going to go very far. A fund could be boosted by occassional one off's I am sure, maybe items donated and auctioned, that sort of thing. I would have thought a regular amount raised would have been the goal though????

Perhaps Fitzy and Dan could offer input here? Imagine you are not to be the recipitent but, as an advisor, how could a regular sum of money from this site be used to support a British player(s)?

It may also be best to have a target of an amount to achieve, rather than pool contributions.......look at what we have got and wonder how best to spend it.  A target figure to raise makes it very focused.

I would suggest any player who receives any help could perhaps blog for the site and we consider that payment. There might be other things but as soon as we start trying to get our website printed on shirts etc, unless it can be done for peanuts, part of the money raised is being spent on ourselves! Not our intentions I am sure.

All in all, a great idea though and one certainly I would be glad to support.



-- Edited by Shhh on Saturday 8th of October 2011 04:16:12 AM

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hi,

Well i think gazz has raised a great idea but also the points against are valid.
Im writing from a neutral point as i dont think i would be the one to benefit from the funds if they were raised as im sure people had someone else in mind.
For instance the LTA fund aegon players 20,000 pounds i think a year for travel.

There are alot of pretentious people in british tennis playing, and offering them free accomodation with people they dont know seems strange to them. For me its ideal and a must so i think that side of things if and when its applicable would be great.

A regular amount donated by anyone that could put together to make a pool wether you think it or not would be making a difference, but not to someone that already has Aegon funding. It would pay for a trip away, or over time a few or more trips to play tournaments. I know when ive helped players out younger than me for what ever reason, you do feel good and take a little pride in what they achieve there after.

I feel this website is great, and great that you all have such interest in tennis and i have absolutely no problem in letting you know the ins and outs on what goes on. I would be very surprised if collectively someone didnt know a friend of a friend who had some clout in publicity or had a company. (in terms of the publicising part above).

Maybe start a thread so that everyone see's this discussion as people might miss it being in cordoba futures. Start the post with my thread or the above and see what everyone else things. I feel the responses will be the same and u can gather a general idea of how people would want to attack it, if at all.

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Glad people seem to of picked up on this idea. I know there will be some sceptical views as there was when the CFU first started funding. Now we're thriving and hopefully have another promotion and very cash heavy. I know there are more people within the CFU than here but it could work in relation.

Picking up on something Shhhh stated around the t-shirts I'm a marketing manager for sports firm and we can bring in and print as many shirts/polos etc as required. We can then create a sales page on here or even through our company website. We could even do player specific lines and give the proceeds to the player.

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Happy to see others are interested in this too ... and that the 'devil's advocate' bit of my post didn't put them off

I'm sure I remember being able to split posts off the end of a thread to create a new one, but I can't remember how to do it. Can any other mods remember?

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Not me, sorry, I never did know how to do it.

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steven wrote:

Happy to see others are interested in this too ... and that the 'devil's advocate' bit of my post didn't put them off

I'm sure I remember being able to split posts off the end of a thread to create a new one, but I can't remember how to do it. Can any other mods remember?


 I am not familiar with what can be done on this forum but on another forum (non Tennis related) that I moderate I would be able to start a new thread and then transfer the posts in question to that thread. You might be able to do something similar.



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Not ideal but could the posts not just be copied and pasted?

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An interesting topic and certainly one for future discussion.

I certainly think fans could do more to get involved and support players but we would have to be realistic as to what we could achieve.

Personally I don't see a financial contribution working. The costs are just too high for a small group of people to have much impact and that's before we get to choosing a player etc.

What could work is the accommodation idea - Even the most basic places will add up over a tourney week before worrying about food, travel etc. As previously said similar schemes are done elsewhere - in baseball for example families take in players for the entire year in minor leagues.



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RJA wrote:
steven wrote:

Happy to see others are interested in this too ... and that the 'devil's advocate' bit of my post didn't put them off

I'm sure I remember being able to split posts off the end of a thread to create a new one, but I can't remember how to do it. Can any other mods remember?


 I am not familiar with what can be done on this forum but on another forum (non Tennis related) that I moderate I would be able to start a new thread and then transfer the posts in question to that thread. You might be able to do something similar.


I thought it was possible to do that here too - maybe it was possible but no longer is or maybe only the admins can do it. Anyway, since I don't seem to be missing an obvious way to separate out the end of this thread, I have transferred all the posts directly related to this to http://britishtennis.activeboard.com/t45455150/tangible-ways-to-support-british-players/ simply by copying and pasting, and put each poster's name in bold at the top of their posts, so hopefully it's obvious I'm not just having a long conversation with myself. LOL

If any more posts on that subject end up on this thread, I'll paste them over and delete them from here to avoid ending up with two threads running about it simultaneously.



-- Edited by steven on Sunday 9th of October 2011 09:47:08 AM

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