Week 31 - Challenger ($100K) - Vancouver, Canada - Hard

philwrig · Hall of fame

RE: Week 31 - Challenger ($100K) - Vancouver, Canada - Hard

steven · Tennis legend

Shhh wrote:
Question for Steven (and others).

Martin Lee and his Newport final in 2000 would have scored a 100pts plus

James got 100pts for this win and last year Bloomers 102pts for his semi final run last year. Has a Brit scored a points total of a similar magnitude (given the points value change a few years back) in the years in between outside of Andy Murray, Tim & Greg?????? I can't remember a 3rd round in a Grand Slam for example, or a challenger title of as much prize money.

Just trying to work out how good a win this was for James in the context of British recent achievments.

Having realised this wouldn't actually take that much research, the answer is that this is the 3rd biggest points haul by a Brit other than Tim, Greg or Andy this century - the 2nd biggest in terms of main draw points only - and probably (ignoring inflation) the biggest Challenger title ever won by a Brit, though I am not 100% certain about that.

Brits other than Tim / Greg / Andy 'doing the ton' this century

1 Martin Lee (Newport RU 2001) - 120 points (150 in today's terms)

2 Richard Bloomfield (Newport SF 2010) - 102 points (90 + 12 for qualifying)

3 James Ward (Vancouver Challenger WIN 2011) - 100 points

Funnily enough, winning a 100K was only worth 90 points when the changes were first implemented in 2009, it went up to 100 a year later.

In terms of the points available for the same tournament today, Arvind Parmar would have made this list for his run to the QFs at Rotterdam (which is now a 500 series) in 2006 had he qualified instead of getting in as a LL.

The last non-TH/GR/AM Brit who would have got 100 points from a slam on today's points scale (though not on the scale that applied back then) is Danny Sapsford, who qualified for Wimbledon and then reached R3 in 1999, but the last such Brit who would have got 100+ points from a slam main draw alone is Andrew Foster, who reached R4 at Wimbledon in 1993.

Hopefully that covers it! wink

-- Edited by steven on Monday 8th of August 2011 02:47:56 PM

stevemcqueen · Futures qualifying

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Question for Steven (and others).

Martin Lee and his Newport final in 2000 would have scored a 100pts plus

James got 100pts for this win and last year Bloomers 102pts for his semi final run last year. Has a Brit scored a points total of a similar magnitude (given the points value change a few years back) in the years in between outside of Andy Murray, Tim & Greg?????? I can't remember a 3rd round in a Grand Slam for example, or a challenger title of as much prize money.

Just trying to work out how good a win this was for James in the context of British recent achievments.

I remember Alex wining 63 points for his appearance in the final of a challenger in Mons , Belgium. I think that was his best ever points haul. He lost to Tipsarevic. This was probably before they rehashed the points system

Isn't it strange how everybody remember Martin Lee's performance of so many year's ago? I s'pose we treasure such success way more than most other nations would. I think it was a S. African guy he beat in the semis, and he made the comment that a passing shot he made at a critical moment was probably the best of his entire career.

Steve

-- Edited by stevemcqueen on Monday 8th of August 2011 04:36:40 PM

Count Zero · Tennis legend

there's a still a big difference between winners and runners up, even bigger i think. Tipsy got 90 points at the time. i'm not sure what mons woudl worm out at now though.

steven · Tennis legend

Yes, Boggo got 63 points when he lost the Mons Final to Tipsy in 2006 - it's now worth 75 points to the runner-up and 125 points to the winner. The 63-pointer remained Boggo's best single week haul (despite all his other Challenger titles) until he got 75 for winning the Kolding title in 2009.

Martin Lee actually lost to a South African in the Final - Neville Godwin. His big win was against a young James Blake in the semis, where he claims to have hit 3 of his best passing shots ever (though well remembered about the best passing shot bit!) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/1439451.stm

-- Edited by steven on Monday 8th of August 2011 09:08:46 PM

RJA · Hall of fame

Count Zero wrote:
there's a still a big difference between winners and runners up, even bigger i think. Tipsy got 90 points at the time. i'm not sure what mons woudl worm out at now though.

Mons is $125K + H and so the winner gets 125 points while the runner up gets 75.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

Boggo won mons In 09?

Smidster · Challenger level

Great stuff...really seems to be kicking on post Queens which is something most fail to do after a big result.

Will be fun to see what happens next. being a DA for the AO must be a real target.

RJA · Hall of fame

Count Zero wrote:
Boggo won mons In 09?

He won Kolding, not Mons, and got 75 points for doing so.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

Really? Not according to Steven :)

indiana · Tennis legend

Count Zero wrote:
Really? Not according to Steven :)

Looks like some malfunction. I thought you were responsible for steven ?

RJA · Hall of fame

Count Zero wrote:
Really? Not according to Steven :)

The Steven is clearly malfunctioning. Both the ATP site and this sites archive show that it was Kolding.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Three cheers for OEM, who has duly recorded Dino's entry into the top 150 in a short(ish) column in today's Times.

gjr · Club Coach

Did anyone mention Chris Eaton's run at Wimbledon as an amount of points obtained.

Was Chris's point before the "double" up?

-- Edited by gjr on Tuesday 9th of August 2011 10:53:41 AM

RJA · Hall of fame

gjr wrote:
Did anyone mention Chris Eaton's run at Wimbledon as an amount of points obtained.

Was Chris's point before the "double" up?

-- Edited by gjr on Tuesday 9th of August 2011 10:53:41 AM

Qualifying plus R1 win would only get you 70 points on the current scale.

-- Edited by RJA on Tuesday 9th of August 2011 11:58:57 AM