Week 27 - ATP 250 Series - Newport, RI, USA - Grass

Count Zero · Tennis legend

RE: Week 27 - ATP 250 Series - Newport, RI, USA - Grass

Count Zero · Tennis legend

what so every player who doesn't make the top 100 is a disgrace to the world of tennis. jog on mate, you are a fool.

Jason Rockall · Social player

Kamke serving the match. Boggo heading out again! I guess that'll mean that Boggo maintains his astonishing record of only 11 ATP wins, compared to 36 losses! Unbelievable.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

GSM Kamke 76(3) 63

Shame for Boggo there, the big stat really is failing to take so many of his BP chances for whatever reason.

Jason Rockall · Social player

Count Zero,

Okay, 'disgrace to the world of tennis', is perhaps a bit harsh - but I was angry. He is, however, a disgrace to British tennis, considring the years the LTA spent supporting him by WC's into Wimbledon. I would have quit years ago, why would you want to be known as the man who only won 11 matches of tennis? Or the man who couldn't progress by the first round of Wimbldon after 8 attempts? It's utterly ridiculous. Boggo has to do the noble thing and hang up the racket after this latest pitiful performance at Newport.

Jason Rockall · Social player

Even Kamke got to the third round of Wimbledon, and has played in every Grand Slam and reached 64 in the world. He must have been rubbing his hands when he found out he was playing Boggo. A walkover would have taken more effort. Boggo? More like bog awful.

Ratty · County player

OK, you've had 5 goes at getting a response to your trolling, and have managed to get one "**** off" and a deafening silence.

Time to call it a day, maybe?

smile

Jason Rockall · Social player

The only troll I know of is Boggo. Settle down Ratty. It's not my fault that England's only hopes are a gang of weaklings.

Spectator · All-time great

Well, quite honestly, if I could disgrace my chosen profession by only managing to be one of the top 2, 3 or 4 (or 8, as it is now) in the country and among the top 500 in the world, I'd be quite satisfied.

Perhaps some people play on not for the external approbation but for love of the game, because they know they are talented and they enjoy what they are doing, and because once you retire (at least for the men) you'll never quite have the same opportunities to play competitively again.

I have issues with the travel involved in pursuing the dream (it's a lot of carbon) ... but that goes for all the Tour, not any one player. [NB: Any chance that some day the Tour will realise that the traveling circus could be better organised and less environmentally destructive? Roland Garros has made a vague attempt to be slightly greener, but it's far from enough ... and the whole Tour could use help]

But leaving aside the travel issues, why shouldn't Mr Bogdanovic continue to play? He's still gifted. He must still be enjoying it, or he presumably would stop. And we've seen a whole host of late-bloomers recently. So well done for qualifying and having a perfectly reasonable scoreline given the rankings discrepancy, Mr Bogdanovic! And if you want to, carry on, sir! (but consider going by train/coach/playing nearer home, eh?)

Jason Rockall · Social player

Spectator wrote:
Well, quite honestly, if I could disgrace my chosen profession by only managing to be one of the top 2, 3 or 4 (or 8, as it is now) in the country and among the top 500 in the world, I'd be quite satisfied.

Perhaps some people play on not for the external approbation but for love of the game, because they know they are talented and they enjoy what they are doing, and because once you retire (at least for the men) you'll never quite have the same opportunities to play competitively again.

I have issues with the travel involved in pursuing the dream (it's a lot of carbon) ... but that goes for all the Tour, not any one player. [NB: Any chance that some day the Tour will realise that the traveling circus could be better organised and less environmentally destructive? Roland Garros has made a vague attempt to be slightly greener, but it's far from enough ... and the whole Tour could use help]

But leaving aside the travel issues, why shouldn't Mr Bogdanovic continue to play? He's still gifted. He must still be enjoying it, or he presumably would stop. And we've seen a whole host of late-bloomers recently. So well done for qualifying and having a perfectly reasonable scoreline given the rankings discrepancy, Mr Bogdanovic! And if you want to, carry on, sir! (but consider going by train/coach/playing nearer home, eh?)

Yeah well we have to apply a little bit of relativism here Spectator. If 60 million people played professional tennis, then Boggo's ranking might be more impressive. He's an abject failure, and it is this type of tacit acceptance of failure that typefies the English game. Boggo isn't going to be a 'late-bloomer', in fact my guess is that his thinking - concerning his (lack of a) career - is probably closer to my own. If I was going to work, in my chosen vocation, and consistently underperforming and showing not a jot of potential for improvement, I would most likely quit, or even more probably, be fired.

Getting beaten 7-6, 6-3 at a below average tournament is hardly 'perfectly reasonable'. I guess you probably thought Boggo's failure to exceed the first round of eight succesive Wimbledon's was also 'perfectly reasonable'. It's not reasonable, it is downright shameful! It's unfair to compare Boggo to Murray, but a more appropriate model of comparison would be with Gregor Dmitrov or John Isner; Boggo is IN A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE TO THESE GUYS! So exhausting this even further - HE'S EVEN ON A DIFFERENT PLANET TO GUYS LIKE KAMKE OR BOGMALOV JNR. His attitude is disgusting. You either try your best, find out your not good enough, and act appropriately, or try your best and compete at the highest level. Boggo, on the other hand, continues to exist in this limbo of patheitc obscurity at the very lowest levels of professional tennis. I couldn't face the shame if I was him.

-- Edited by Jason Rockall on Tuesday 5th of July 2011 06:54:30 PM

Josh · Challenger level

Since when has an ATP event been the very lowest level of professional tennis?

scottie1 · Futures level

Alex Bogdanovic is a frustrating player to watch but he is far more talented than some of the other British players who are ranked above him at the moment. Ok he lost it is not a crime! No-one died it was only a tennis match. Mens tennis in Britiain is poor at the moment except for the Scottish number 1 who is World class. Bogdanovic is not any worse than Jamie Baker/Goodall even dare I say it Ward/Cox/Evans. Boganovic was injured during the latter part of last year and his ranking has fallen. He has been criticised by the press for years and carried on playing. Was he meant to turn down the Wimbledon wild cards Idont think so! Good luck to him I say. He is not funded by the Lta so he must enjoy playing.
I saw him in Edinburgh about 8 years ago as 18 y/o kid he was really talented but has lost his way! Wait with interest to see If Golding/ Morgan etc go the same way.

Any chance of jason running the boggo fan club? lol

Jason Rockall · Social player

It does scream of 'Stalinism' to get called a troll simply for sharing an opinion. Scottie1, I just think that Boggo should not be made into any type of role model for up-and-coming British tennis players. I think that Liam Broady MIGHT do well, he has a bit of arrogance about him - the same kind of arrogance Andy Murray had. Boggo, on the other hand, has no on court personality (which is actually pretty much what Andy Murray said about him after another horrific display of anti-tennis by Boggo in the Davis Cup). I came here for a bit of a discussion, but it seems - on this thread at least - that I have stumbled into some sort of manifestation of the 'Cult of Boggo'. I mean to defend the guy in terms of stats and atitude is one thing, but to have a picture of him for your avatar is truly baffling. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Murray is a Scot? Maybe some of English can't handle that? So instead of embracing Murray, the greatest British tennis player of the past 40-50 years, they feel the need to express their love for Boggo? Still pretty baffling.

-- Edited by Jason Rockall on Tuesday 5th of July 2011 07:23:11 PM

Jason Rockall · Social player

Josh wrote:
Since when has an ATP event been the very lowest level of professional tennis?

Josh, Boggo is 389th in the world, and has never made it by the first round of a Granny (in fact he's only ever played at the US Open and Wimbledon), despite being given a wc into Wimbledon for 8 YEARS IN A ROW. THAT is the lowest levels of professional tennis. Sure, he might win the odd challenger, and he may even beat a few kids down the park the odd time (just to make himself fee better) but he is by no means anything more than a third rate, way below average, tennis player. Admit it.

airsmashers · County player

Jason Rockall wrote:
It does scream of 'Stalinism' to get called a troll simply for sharing an opinion. Scottie1, I just think that Boggo should not be made into any type of role model for up-and-coming British tennis players. I think that Liam Broady is probably MIGHT do well, he has a bit of arrogance about him - the same kind of arrogance Andy Murray had. Boggo, on the other hand, has no on court personality (which is actually pretty much what Andy Murray said about him after another horrific display of anti-tennis by Boggo in the Davis Cup). I came here for a bit of a discussion, but it seems - on this thread at least - that I have stumbled into some sort of manifestation of the 'Cult of Boggo'. I mean to defend the guy in terms of stats and atitude is one thing, but to have a picture of him for your avatar is truly baffling. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Murray is a Scot? Maybe some of English can't handle that? So instead of embracing Murray, the greatest British tennis player of the past 40-50 years, they feel the need to express their love for Boggo? Still pretty baffling.

Stop right there, all of the regular posters on this forum are big supporters of Andy and yes Alex as well. Its because we are all proper supporters of british tennis which is clearly something you are not

-- Edited by airsmashers on Tuesday 5th of July 2011 07:24:03 PM

-- Edited by airsmashers on Tuesday 5th of July 2011 07:24:43 PM