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Week 47 - ATP World Tour Finals 1500


The draw is to be made at 11:40 today.

22px-Flag_of_Spain.svg.pngRafael Nadal (ESP)
20px-Flag_of_Switzerland.svg.pngRoger Federer (SUI)
22px-Flag_of_Serbia.svg.pngNovak Djokovic (SRB)
22px-Flag_of_Sweden.svg.pngRobin Söderling (SWE)
22px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.pngAndy Murray (GBR)
22px-Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg.pngTomá Berdych (CZE)
22px-Flag_of_Spain.svg.pngDavid Ferrer (ESP)
22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.pngAndy Roddick (USA)



-- Edited by Mikeduke on Tuesday 16th of November 2010 10:35:25 AM

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Group A: Nadal, Djokovic, Berdych and Roddick

Group B: Federer, Soderling, Murray, Ferrer.

Not too bad a draw! Murray still hasn't played Djokovic in 2010!

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Could be worse ... I think it would have been better to get Rafa than Fed indoors, but being outside the top four seeds should mean he won't have to play Fed the day before the semis this time, I think.

The most important thing was to draw Ferrer rather than Duckboy out of the bottom two seeds, and he's got that.

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Roddick is nothing to be worried about indoors anymore. His performance against Soderling in Paris was laughably bad. I couldn't see Andy losing to him.

And remember Ferrer reached the final of the Masters Cup a few years back, something Roddick has never achieved.

In all honestly though the draw here is fairly irrelevant.

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Murray starts against Toad on Sunday so early chance to get back to Number 4!

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steven wrote:

Could be worse ... I think it would have been better to get Rafa than Fed indoors, but being outside the top four seeds should mean he won't have to play Fed the day before the semis this time, I think.

The most important thing was to draw Ferrer rather than Duckboy out of the bottom two seeds, and he's got that.




Well, Andy won't have to play Fed the day before the semis because Group B is in action on the Sunday so then presumably Tuesday and Thursday   smile

Sunday's two winners should play each other on the Tuesday so it is Sunday's results that will determine the order of the remaining matches rather than seedings. 

Anyway, Steven have you offered your statistical services for the final group matches so that they might know in advance the crucial scores that effect who goes through to the semi finals rather than be still trying to confirm it half an hour after play has finished ?   hmm.gif

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 16th of November 2010 02:27:02 PM

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Interestingly, it would not have mattered if Murray was seeded 4th as the 4th and 5th seeds are in the same group. This is a group where I think that playing at near his best he would have a good chance. Soderling is a good indoor player, so has the potential to be awkward though.

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Why is everyone saying Muzza has the easier group ?
Fed/ Nadal surely a 50/50 choice given Fed's record at the tour final and Nadal's lack of a recent outing.
Djoker/Sod again surely a 50/50 choice given that Sod won Paris, played well here last year and the fact Nole must be looking at the DC final as his main priority.
Ferrer/Roddick surely an out of sorts Roddick would be the easier challenge here given that Ferrer just won Valencia.

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philwrig wrote:

Why is everyone saying Muzza has the easier group ?
Fed/ Nadal surely a 50/50 choice given Fed's record at the tour final and Nadal's lack of a recent outing.
Djoker/Sod again surely a 50/50 choice given that Sod won Paris, played well here last year and the fact Nole must be looking at the DC final as his main priority.
Ferrer/Roddick surely an out of sorts Roddick would be the easier challenge here given that Ferrer just won Valencia.



Agreed.  And I remember seeing Ferrer (can't remember which tournie) rather impressively beat Muzz on clay earlier this year.  I know it was clay, but  I don't think the match was even close.

 



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Sorry guys, but I am slightly confused as to where everyone is saying Muzza has the easier group.  I don't see that above anyway.

My own view is that I would have probably slightly preferred the other one. I'd prefer Rafa to Roger at this stage of the year on indoor hard.  Djoko / Sod not much in it, but with Sod certainly in form and as Phil indicates Djoko also no doubt having the DC Final on his mind I would slightly prefer Djoko. The only one I would personally have in Andy's favour is Ferrer rather than Roddick.

Re Ferrer, yes he did beat Andy twice in the spring, but very relevantly both were indeed on clay.  Coming immediately after the absolute worst of the bad of Andy's season when he could barely hit a ball in court vs Kohlschreiber in Monte Carlo, his  6 - 3  6 - 4  loss in Rome and  7 - 5  6 - 3 loss in Madrid were actually the signs of maybe an upturn in form which did continue.  Ferrer in those few clay weeks was in semis in Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome and in the final in Rome.  He did indeed win in Valencia and is not to be taken lightly, I just feel Roddick is probably up for this and if he brings in good form he is a bit more of a danger.

With two qualifying slightly negating what i see as the Roger vs Rafa disadvantage, I would just prefer Berdych's group, though probably not loads in it and really form in the week may not anyway be as we anticpate.

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 16th of November 2010 07:32:37 PM

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On any given day any of the top 8 can beat each other...so I dont see one group being easier or harder than another...the best player usually wins this thing...im sure thats correct wink.gif

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The key for Murray was to be seeded fourth as he'd then have had only a 50/50 chance of facing Soderling. Drawing Berdych would have been great, as given his current form he's the weakest of the eight.

Kind of wish Murray had been drawn in Nadal's group. It's pretty even, given that indoor hard is Nadal's worst surface and Murray has a good record against Fed in a best-of-three, but Murray and Fed have been in the same group for the last three years now, so it would have made a nice change.

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I do think Rafa's comparatively poor indoor record would certainly theoretically have made him a better bet than Fed in spite of Andy's H to H vs Fed.

The ATP site Match Record really show how much poorer Rafa has been comparatively over his ATP career indoors, indeed how few matches he's actually played.

Nadal  :         Won   43  ( 62.3 % )   Lost 28          ( outdoor won 85.2 % )    
Federer  :      Won 192  ( 79.0 % )   Lost 51          ( outdoor won 81.6 % ) 
Djokovic  :     Won   74   ( 73.3 % )  Lost 27          ( outdoor  won 76.4 % )  
Soderling  :   Won  103  ( 73.0 % )  Lost 38          ( outdoor  won 58.1 % )   
Murray  :       Won   77   ( 79.4 % )  Lost 20          ( outdoor  won 72.3 % )

Does also show % wise that Fed & Andy have been the best indoor players and that Sod is a significantly better player indoors than his general outdoor record. 

By the way, I see the ATP Match Record stats have snazzy new "FedEx Index" lines which are basically just the % in each category.

-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 20th of November 2010 09:33:43 PM

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As a sidenote if you are friends with him on facebook, you might have seen our forum administrator has had a pretty good experience today. Or should I say yesterday.

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wolf wrote:

As a sidenote if you are friends with him on facebook, you might have seen our forum administrator has had a pretty good experience today. Or should I say yesterday.


Sheddie or Drew? (not that it's going to tell me anything, since I'm not on Facebook in the first place!)

 



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