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RE: Age on winning first major


Coup Droit wrote:

I don't disagree with the premise, christ, and it obviously can't go on indefinitely. And, like you, it is very likely that the average age of the four semifinalists in 3 years time, say, will be a fair bit lower.


 Unless of course it's the same group of players that are contesting them. wink



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indiana wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

In the women's semi-finals today at Wimbledon, the average age is 31 years and 9 months...


And the men's semi finalists average practically dead on 30, actually just short if you average their years and months age ( but I'm pretty sure is over 30 if you add days ).

And that's with Novak so unusually missing. If he had come through the top quarter rather than the relative young pup, 25 yo Raonic, the men's average would be closing on 31.



-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 7th of July 2016 11:35:54 PM


I don't need to resort to days, just not misinterpret the ages on live-tennis.eu - e.g. 25.5 for Raonic literally means 25.5 years, not 25 years and 5 months.

The accumulated years and months is actually 120 years 3 months, so divide by 4 and our semi finalists average just over 30.

So we do have both the men's and women semi finalists averaging over 30. Unique for Wimbledon ?



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I do think the average age is likely to drop once the big 4 era ends as the players who have been in their shadow are not the ones who I think will replace them. The mid twenties group I think will be surpassed by the likes of Zverev, Thiem and Kyrgios who could potentially take a similar stranglehold on the big tournaments as we have seen for the last 10 years.

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I do think the average age is likely to drop once the big 4 era ends as the players who have been in their shadow are not the ones who I think will replace them. The mid twenties group I think will be surpassed by the likes of Zverev, Thiem and Kyrgios who could potentially take a similar stranglehold on the big tournaments as we have seen for the last 10 years.


 I'm not sure about Kyrgios. He may have the odd tournament where it clicks, but I struggle to see him ever dominating.

Don't forget Kokkinakis, Fritz, Coric, Rublev and co. I can see Thiem going the way of Tsonga/Ferrer/Berdych - always there, thereabouts but never truly one of the best.

I think we may see a few years where the likes of Nishikori (if he can stay fit) and Raonic nick a few slams when Djokovic and Murray finally start to wane or retire, before the youngsters truly hit their prime.



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I have felt from start of year that Raonic will be the next new Slam winner - just hope it's not this Slam (and indeed, would like Mr Murray to get a few more in first). When not injured, he's been extremely consistent at a high level. Nishikori just seems to have so many health issues ... Can see Zverev doing very well - and not necessarily in the very distant future. Share the doubts on Kyrgios to do well consistently, though the potential is there.



-- Edited by Spectator on Friday 8th of July 2016 04:04:16 PM

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TMH wrote:
theemptyvessel wrote:

I do think the average age is likely to drop once the big 4 era ends as the players who have been in their shadow are not the ones who I think will replace them. The mid twenties group I think will be surpassed by the likes of Zverev, Thiem and Kyrgios who could potentially take a similar stranglehold on the big tournaments as we have seen for the last 10 years.


 I'm not sure about Kyrgios. He may have the odd tournament where it clicks, but I struggle to see him ever dominating.

Don't forget Kokkinakis, Fritz, Coric, Rublev and co. I can see Thiem going the way of Tsonga/Ferrer/Berdych - always there, thereabouts but never truly one of the best.

I think we may see a few years where the likes of Nishikori (if he can stay fit) and Raonic nick a few slams when Djokovic and Murray finally start to wane or retire, before the youngsters truly hit their prime.


I agree we may have a few years yet before the current youngsters  really take over. But rather than say Nishikori and / or Raonic particularly taking advantage if Andy can outlast Novak and retain real will and desire ( and he seems really motivated and energised just now ) this could yet be Andy time !!



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That would be ideal!

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TMH wrote:
theemptyvessel wrote:

I do think the average age is likely to drop once the big 4 era ends as the players who have been in their shadow are not the ones who I think will replace them. The mid twenties group I think will be surpassed by the likes of Zverev, Thiem and Kyrgios who could potentially take a similar stranglehold on the big tournaments as we have seen for the last 10 years.


 I'm not sure about Kyrgios. He may have the odd tournament where it clicks, but I struggle to see him ever dominating.

Don't forget Kokkinakis, Fritz, Coric, Rublev and co. I can see Thiem going the way of Tsonga/Ferrer/Berdych - always there, thereabouts but never truly one of the best.

I think we may see a few years where the likes of Nishikori (if he can stay fit) and Raonic nick a few slams when Djokovic and Murray finally start to wane or retire, before the youngsters truly hit their prime.


 

And, who knows, but worth mentioning that if you take the top 100 singles players and sort them by age (currently 40 of them aged over 30 and only three teenagers) that Kyle Edmund is the sixth youngest player in the top 100.

Not bad, young Kyle....



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Very nice graph on average age, overall, and numbers per age segment, for RG since 1990:

pbs.twimg.com/media/DAwuVs9XoAA63-4.jpg

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Just to note that John Isner is the oldest first-time Masters 1000 winner, at age 32, 11 months and 5 days.

Well done, Little John.

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There's been some interesting age stats and graphs in the thread "Is the jump from boys to mens bigger than the jump from girls to womens?" (about the average age getting progressively older in the last 30 years but having already been a lot higher 40 years ago)

But here's a different table that Goldsmith re-tweeted that (assuming it's right) deserves to be here somewhere in this forum:

Luca Brancher

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Age in which the current #Atp Top-100 broke for the first time into the Top-100

pbs.twimg.com/media/DiVKykDWsAA8JCu.png



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 18th of July 2018 07:13:58 AM

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Coup Droit wrote:

There's been some interesting age stats and graphs in the thread "Is the jump from boys to mens bigger than the jump from girls to womens?" (about the average age getting progressively older in the last 30 years but having already been a lot higher 40 years ago)

But here's a different table that Goldsmith re-tweeted that (assuming it's right) deserves to be here somewhere in this forum:

Luca Brancher

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Age in which the current #Atp Top-100 broke for the first time into the Top-100

pbs.twimg.com/media/DiVKykDWsAA8JCu.png



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 18th of July 2018 07:13:58 AM


Nice table.

 

Amusingly (and for obvious reasons), one "Murray (A)" is missing from that list!



-- Edited by christ on Wednesday 18th of July 2018 08:18:33 AM

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I did actually start looking down it to check on Andy - duh.

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