James Cordens World Cup Live

Mikeduke · County player

James Cordens World Cup Live

airsmashers · County player

yep just seen him slow dance and it continues on ITV4

Mikeduke · County player

Oh I didn't realise that, I lost control of the Tv so I'll have to catch up later!

airsmashers · County player

Also its good he got another chance to explain that comment about the England football team, not that it needed explaining again.

-- Edited by airsmashers on Tuesday 6th of July 2010 09:18:38 PM

philwrig · Hall of fame

He's Scottish, of course he's not going to support England. That would be normal.

indiana · Tennis legend

Phil, I'm Scottish I was supporting England in the World Cup.

I do accept I am undoubtably in a minority, but there are still quite a lot of us strange people smile

Football supporting and the reasons for it, be it club or country vary enormously and are for the individual, and I fully understand the many Scots that don't like to see England do well. This is often due to long-time football rivalry rather than the semi-racist reasons that some folk draw up. I also object to the English ( normally non really football folk ) people that think Scots, Welsh etc should somehow automatically support England in such as the World Cup.

Andy was dropped in it a bit a few years ago making a jibe against England, which I might do myself though fundamentally I support England except of course v Scotland and also v the other home nations. It was built up out of proportion with some lies added in. Not that it should of been much issue at all whether he supported England or not in that or this World Cup.

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 7th of July 2010 11:26:35 AM

philwrig · Hall of fame

I was born in Northern Ireland but always supported the other home nations once they were eliminated. Eventhough I don't agree with it most Scots would not support England in the WC. Andy I think would be neutral not supporting them on the one hand but also not wishing them to do badly on the other hand.

-- Edited by philwrig on Wednesday 7th of July 2010 12:18:13 PM

angry1 · Lower Club Player

philwrig wrote:

I was born in Northern Ireland but always supported the other home nations once they were eliminated. Eventhough I don't agree with it most Scots would not support England in the WC. Andy I think would be neutral not supporting them on the one hand but also not wishing them to do badly on the other hand.

-- Edited by philwrig on Wednesday 7th of July 2010 12:18:13 PM

Not looking for an argument,but why should we?

The 2 reasons given usually are proximity and they support us.The first I don't buy and the second is a large part of the reason why.

The "support" is usually both patronising and dependent on us knowing our place.Also I know it's petty but on national British TV to constantly hear us,our and we about someone else's team is really grating after a while.

The fact Tim wasn't criticised for a longer multi sport mocking of Scottish sport shows both English and Scottish expect it and most don't notice when the direction is England to Scotland.Does anybody reckon Andy would still be asked to explain a joke about Scotland 4 years later if he were English?

SMC1809 · All-time great

I would cheer a Bristol team, if they were playing a team from Bath.

I would support a west country team (e.g. Bristol, Bath, Yeovil) if playing a team from elsewhere, e.g from London.

I would support an English team if they're playing someone from abroad (as a Man Utd fan, even Liverpool if they're playing in Europe).

I would support a British team if they're playing another team from outside GB (that has included Scotland in WC 1978, NI in WC 1982, Eire in WC 1990).

I would support an Earth XI, if we were playing a Mars XI.

No chips on my shoulders.

RJA · Hall of fame

angry1 wrote:

philwrig wrote:

I was born in Northern Ireland but always supported the other home nations once they were eliminated. Eventhough I don't agree with it most Scots would not support England in the WC. Andy I think would be neutral not supporting them on the one hand but also not wishing them to do badly on the other hand.

-- Edited by philwrig on Wednesday 7th of July 2010 12:18:13 PM

Not looking for an argument,but why should we?

The 2 reasons given usually are proximity and they support us.The first I don't buy and the second is a large part of the reason why.

The "support" is usually both patronising and dependent on us knowing our place.Also I know it's petty but on national British TV to constantly hear us,our and we about someone else's team is really grating after a while.

The fact Tim wasn't criticised for a longer multi sport mocking of Scottish sport shows both English and Scottish expect it and most don't notice when the direction is England to Scotland.Does anybody reckon Andy would still be asked to explain a joke about Scotland 4 years later if he were English?

1. The only people who bring up this subject are the cretins who don't have any interest in tennis for 50 weeks of the year and/or have an intetest in creating an England/Scotland divide.

2. I totally agree about the coverage of sport (especially football) on TV. It has become way too partisan.

3. I think you being a bit unfair about the support for the other home nations given by many English people. Many of us genuinely support the other home nations and it is not in any way patronising.

angry1 · Lower Club Player

SMC1809 wrote:

I would cheer a Bristol team, if they were playing a team from Bath.

I would support a west country team (e.g. Bristol, Bath, Yeovil) if playing a team from elsewhere, e.g from London.

I would support an English team if they're playing someone from abroad (as a Man Utd fan, even Liverpool if they're playing in Europe).

I would support a British team if they're playing another team from outside GB (that has included Scotland in WC 1978, NI in WC 1982, Eire in WC 1990).

I would support an Earth XI, if we were playing a Mars XI.

No chips on my shoulders.

Was that needed?

I genuinely don't understand why English people in great numbers complain about their junior partners not supporting them.I genuinely believe most of us are quite happy if you don't support us.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

SMC1809 wrote:

I would cheer a Bristol team, if they were playing a team from Bath.

I would support a west country team (e.g. Bristol, Bath, Yeovil) if playing a team from elsewhere, e.g from London.

I would support an English team if they're playing someone from abroad (as a Man Utd fan, even Liverpool if they're playing in Europe).

I would support a British team if they're playing another team from outside GB (that has included Scotland in WC 1978, NI in WC 1982, Eire in WC 1990).

I would support an Earth XI, if we were playing a Mars XI.

No chips on my shoulders.

Substitute North East for West Country, and Newcastle, Sunderland amd Middlesborough for Bath, Bristol and Yeovil and you have my own attitude - even though I don't like football

. My husband is the same.

But I used to work with some Sunderland supporters who (despite working in Newcastle) actually, literally, hated the football club. Takes all sorts I suppose. One even refused to go to the (free) company Christmas Dinner because it was held at the Football grounds!

Daft I call it.

RedCabbage · Club Coach

angry1 wrote:

SMC1809 wrote:

I would cheer a Bristol team, if they were playing a team from Bath.

I would support a west country team (e.g. Bristol, Bath, Yeovil) if playing a team from elsewhere, e.g from London.

I would support an English team if they're playing someone from abroad (as a Man Utd fan, even Liverpool if they're playing in Europe).

I would support a British team if they're playing another team from outside GB (that has included Scotland in WC 1978, NI in WC 1982, Eire in WC 1990).

I would support an Earth XI, if we were playing a Mars XI.

No chips on my shoulders.

Was that needed?

I genuinely don't understand why English people in great numbers complain about their junior partners not supporting them.I genuinely believe most of us are quite happy if you don't support us.

I don't think it's not supporting us that we get defensive about, it's the automatically supporting the other side. I appreciate that it's not every non-English brit that's like that, but some English folk don't - and the circle is complete.

angry1 · Lower Club Player

Madeline wrote:

SMC1809 wrote:

I would cheer a Bristol team, if they were playing a team from Bath.

I would support a west country team (e.g. Bristol, Bath, Yeovil) if playing a team from elsewhere, e.g from London.

I would support an English team if they're playing someone from abroad (as a Man Utd fan, even Liverpool if they're playing in Europe).

I would support a British team if they're playing another team from outside GB (that has included Scotland in WC 1978, NI in WC 1982, Eire in WC 1990).

I would support an Earth XI, if we were playing a Mars XI.

No chips on my shoulders.

Substitute North East for West Country, and Newcastle, Sunderland amd Middlesborough for Bath, Bristol and Yeovil and you have my own attitude - even though I don't like football . My husband is the same.

But I used to work with some Sunderland supporters who (despite working in Newcastle) actually, literally, hated the football club. Takes all sorts I suppose. One even refused to go to the (free) company Christmas Dinner because it was held at the Football grounds!

Daft I call it.

The next sentence may sound like sarcasm but isn't.

Part of that is you being nicer and more reasonable than me.

The other part is you were never the minority being mocked by Scots or Mackems or whatever.The majority will never get the anger being unable to answer all the mockery of your team/player back in your youth creates.On any other subject I could argue my corner aggressively without trouble,once Scotland was involved I couldn't.Good natured mockery always turns nasty if there's loads of people getting at you and you stop laughing it off and challenge some of the innacurate elements of it.

English people I like still feel it's fine for them to extract the James but are not keen to take it back.I realise some of us Scots are as thin skinned but I do feel that we take a lot more before firing back in general.

indiana · Tennis legend

SMC1809 wrote:

I would cheer a Bristol team, if they were playing a team from Bath.

I would support a west country team (e.g. Bristol, Bath, Yeovil) if playing a team from elsewhere, e.g from London.

I would support an English team if they're playing someone from abroad (as a Man Utd fan, even Liverpool if they're playing in Europe).

I would support a British team if they're playing another team from outside GB (that has included Scotland in WC 1978, NI in WC 1982, Eire in WC 1990).

I would support an Earth XI, if we were playing a Mars XI.

No chips on my shoulders.

That's your choice. I support St Mirren, the idea of supporting Morton in anything is anathema. For info, there are two teams in Renfrewshire, both named in the previous sentence smile

Many folk, especially where there is a big sporting rivalry with the local team, simply do not support their rivals against other teams. I would guess a lot of of Bath rugby supporters would not usually support Bristol rugby team against others. I know club football supporters very rarely support their local rivals.

England are our historic rivals in different ways. but especially on a football field.

I am afraid the English media often is not helpful to encouraging support, the "us" can certainly grate and doesn't occur with regards Scotland, Wales or N Ireland on say a national British platform.  The build up to a rugby Grand Slam decider between England and Scotland was a notable downpoint. I have seen it leave normal level headed folk enraged.

Patronising suport for Scotland ? From some I certainly think so, but I am sure much of it is genuine.

As well as England being our rivals, they are our "big" rivals in size and that naturally adds to occasional pleasure in watching "big brother" fall. Scotland does not pervade English lives in a sporting as well as every other way as much as vice versa and many in England just do not see us as particular rivals, particularly the more part time once a year / once 4 year supporters.

Anyway, as I said earlier I just object, like angry1, to us being in some way expected to support England.

It is a perfectly reasonable choice not to suppport England and I know many who do not without any need to balance chips on their shoulders   smile

I personally identify with the England players and have always been pretty British and unnationalistic, and choose to support England in such as a World Cup situation not involving Scotland. It is a choice I make in spite of and not because of some things mentioned above.

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 7th of July 2010 03:51:20 PM