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RE: Queens WC - Disgrace?


Losing Ancic was a bitter blow (we all want him back fit and well again) Tomic is fine by me, Harrison fulfils the criteria of 'future star' and there was a 'wild card' deal between the LTA and USTA for Baker to get one into Carson in return for Nottingham but it appears we are scratching their backs a lot more. Ward's victory in Davis Cup may have given him a nudge up but he disappointed at Queen's last year, Baker is favoured at the LTA but does that make him a decent attraction for a tournament of this prestige? I don't get Dimitrov at all.
Boggo is the British No.2 but I can only think this decision is a prelude to a similar one at Wimbledon and clearly there is some doubt as to whether he will be in the Davis Cup team. I'm afraid these decision show up once more the lack of imagination and inspiration in British tennis. If in doubt, simply go down the ATP list to next best...............

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I put it to you that the gentleman of the Times has to an extent avoided the question. Who would you have given alternative WCs to, Neil ?  You apparently don't agree re Dimitrov and cast doubts over some others.  Or do we have to buy / subscribe to The Times to find more imaginative choices ?  smile

Anyone else got ideas ?  It's easy to criticise and we have here including myself, and Dimitrov's WC is in my view a bad joke.

Personally I am OK with Baker, Ward and Tomic.  I would have given one to Boggo.  Not sure really about the 5th,  My own imagination is not in good working gear at this time in the morning so at the moment haven't got a good alternative to Harrison for the 5th WC.

Still great that you do respond here, Neil, and summer awaits you back in UK  smile

-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 5th of June 2010 09:05:11 AM

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Thanks for the response. I agree that Ancic fulfils all the criteria for an overseas WC and it's a real pity he's still beset by health problems. Tomic should also attract a boisterous crowd given the strong Aussie presence you tend to get at Queen's (and at Wimbledon for that matter) and I wouldn't mind Harrison if the LTA have got a deal out of it for more than just the Carson WC that was swapped for Nottingham.

Indeed, if the LTA feel they have few good main draw WC candidates among the GB men at the moment, going for swaps would be quite an imaginative and constructive thing to do.

I don't agree, though, that Jamie Baker (or any of the other top few Brits) isn't a decent attraction for a tournament of this prestige. You've spent a lot more time at this kind of tournament than me, obviously, but in my experience at Wimbledon and Queen's, the courts where GB WCs are playing are always packed out compared to the courts where non-GB WCs are playing, unless the latter are really big names, by which I mean names at least as big as Ancic.

Obviously the whole WC system is inherently unfair (e.g. to those countries that don't hold slams) and it wouldn't bother me if it was scrapped worldwide, but if the rationale for having them is to increase spectator interest, that implies to me giving the WCs to home players except where very big names need them for a good reason (which does not include forgetting to enter), and if virtually every other country in the world uses most of their WCs to help give a leg up to their own up and coming players (or to get something back from another federation in return), why don't we?

Finally, I haven't majored on a comparison between Smethurst and Dimitrov up to now because I didn't know if Dan was healthy, but he's in Queen's qualifying so hopefully he is. Dan is just a few months older than Grigor, higher-ranked (and up 85 places this year) and has picked up more ATP points since the turn of the year. It's all quite close between them, admittedly, but you'd think that Dan being a home player would tip the balance, in any normal tennis-playing country anyway.

Having said that, if there had been just one more WC to give to a Brit, I'd have given it to Boggo, who's done ok at Queen's in the past, is ranked far higher thanany of the other contenders and has beaten probably more top 100 players in his career than the rest of the Brits bar Murray put together.

Enjoy your last weekend in Paris smile.gif

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Smidster wrote:

In fact looking at the current rankings can anyone else see them not awarding ANY wimbly WC's to Brits?




Just exactly what I was wondering. Using the selection criteria outlined by the LTA only Boggo would qualify and as we have no outstanding juniors with a high enough ranking there would appear to be only one definite choice.

Surely though they have to give say 3 wild cards to British players otherwise there will be an outcry.



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It's an interesting one.  The LTA have put themselves in a slight corner by their 250 thing and only exception being younger players ( and I agree none of them are yet good enough ).

So, do they get flak for just Boggo ( and clearly other doubts have been raised re him, not least by the LTA ) though I think I read a suggestion that Jamie B may have scraped into the top 250 with other movements, or do they get flak for shifting the goalposts ?

Well, anyway I hope they don't decide based on what will be least flak for themselves ( though that would probably not be untypical ) and just broaden the criteria so that more Brits get WCs.

I guess they could stick to their guns and the All England Club ( possibly with LTA background agreement ) could pick more Brits.   

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It'd be great if all of them went to brits, I think thats the only way we can get some winners.

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Boggo, Baker, Evans, Wardy, Goodall, Smethurst, Eaton and Wardinator  ?  smile

Dinnae think 8's ever going to happen and I do agree with having some for deserving foreign players, just not blooming Dimitrov please   no.gif 

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What the LTA need to realise (Pashanski, Berlocq, Mello ...) is the way to maximise the chances of getting one of more GB WCs through to R2 at Wimby is to give WCs to every Brit who would have a decent chance if they got a South American clay-courter (or equivalent grass court muppet like Pashanski) ranked outside the top 80. Why?

Because that's the way you maximise the chances of at least one of them getting such a draw.

It's not rocket science, just the most basic probability theory - but I guess it's hard to see the wood for the trees when their first priority is to assuage the media, which (big secret here) they won't manage to do anyway!!

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What the LTA need to realise (Pashanski, Berlocq, Mello ...) is the way to maximise the chances of getting one of more GB WCs through to R2 at Wimby is to give WCs to every Brit who would have a decent chance if they got a South American clay-courter (or equivalent grass court muppet like Pashanski) ranked outside the top 80. Why?

Because that's the way you maximise the chances of at least one of them getting such a draw.

It's not rocket science, just the most basic probability theory - but I guess it's hard to see the wood for the trees when their first priority is to assuage the media, which (big secret here) they won't manage to do anyway!!



Well said, Steven.   Doubt the LTA decision-makers ever bother to descend from their ivory towers to "test the water" in the real world or even attempt to discover what British tennis fans want, though!  brainless.gifangered.gif

 



-- Edited by Stircrazy on Sunday 6th of June 2010 01:01:26 PM

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If any of these players who were spurned make it big someday, there's a very easy way to make the Queen's people pay for the continuous humiliation. Simply sign up for Halle and watch them come begging...

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To be fair to the LTA, not many of the Brits have produced the efforts this year to particularly stand out for a wild card, and the likes of Alex Ward, whose run in Nottingham perhaps deserved a wild card, came too late and I guess they had already given them out before he beat Dent.

Tomic and Harrison look like they will be promising players and giving them a wild card now means that they will be more likely to return if they ever make it big, and I suppose it could be part of a deal with TA and the USTA in regards to get something in return for Grand Slam qualies or something else.

Dimitrov is the only one that is a bit disappointing as he has not done a lot this year, but again, they are probably thinking of the future with him. I personally wouldn't have given him one as he hasn't had the results to deserve it though.

Boggo could well have been given a wild card here, but if the LTA aren't going to recommend him for a Wimbledon wild card, then they would look ridiculous to give him one here. And given that he has qualified anyway, it has worked out better that they didn't as he gets more points and more match practice.

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One trouble I often feel with the LTA is they care far too much about how they will "look" rather than do the right thing  hmm.gif

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Boggo has drawn Dimitrov, if he beats Grigor convincingly, he'll have really shot the organizers in the foot.

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YES, YES     biggrin    
 
Quite apart from I wanted that Boggo v Dimitov re WC entertainment,  it does certainly appear the best 1st round draw.  It is possible to look too far ahead, get 1st round business dealt with and then see what you've got.

edit :  which would definitely be Lopez, didn't realise he had a bye.  Still could be worse.

-- Edited by indiana on Sunday 6th of June 2010 03:47:00 PM

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