Queens qualies - Who is going?

steven · Tennis legend

RE: Queens qualies - Who is going?

steven · Tennis legend

Just transferring this from the WCs thread:

Re. Q cuts:

From 2001-4, the Queen's qualifying cuts were always way outside the top 500 and there were 7 qualifiers from a 56-player qualifying draw.

Then in 2005, the size of the qualifying draw was cut to 32 (4 qualifiers) and since then, the cut has been around the 250 level, except in 2007 when for some reason far fewer players signed in and Dan Cox was the last QDA ranked 1067!

I thought at the time that perhaps it took 2 years for players to realise how much tighter the cuts had got and that overseas players ranked outside the top 300 didn't bother making the trip, meaning that the cut could drop really fast at the last moment, but if that was the case, then lots of them saw what had happened and came back the following year, and last year then saw the highest cut so far this century.

Queen's qualifying cuts this century (no. of Brits in qualifying including QWCs)

2001 - 683 (8)
2002 - 837 (13)
2003 - 888 (17)
2004 - 886 (19)
2005 - 255 (9)
2006 - 246 (5)
2007 - 1067 (16)
2008 - 268 (4)
2009 - 209 (5)

New stuff - comments on 2010 qualifying

From the OoP, it looks like we have another triennial lull here like in 2007 - indeed this time they don't even seem to have filled the draw (assuming the usual 32 draw with 4 qualifying places, in which case the top 4 seeds must have got byes), which given the demand for places in the last couple of years is quite unbelievable.

As the Count said, the points on offer here for qualifying and even getting through one or two main draw rounds are derisory (the fact that it's an artificially strong event with a stronger entry than Halle, only a 250 event and has a 56-player main draw instead of 32 like Halle makes it probably the toughest event on the whole calendar per ranking point on offer and the one that most makes a mockery of a ranking system based solely on prize money available), so anybody whose main priority is chasing points is likely to go to Halle instead. It's just this week's grass court Challenger being in the UK rather than Germany that usually keeps the qualifying draw strong here.

The weak qualifying entry is great news for the Brits, of course, though it is a right pain that the Wardinator, Flembo, Eaton & BBD are unable to play in it due to doing 'too well' in Nottingham singles/doubles ... and that none of the brave people here who have played Futures qualifying before went and tried a cheeky sign-in! wink

Another plus this year, of course, is that you get some points for reaching the FQR, though again because the main draw has more than 32 players, you get less points for reaching the FQR than in Halle - a paltry 3 c.f. the usual 6.

-- Edited by steven on Saturday 5th of June 2010 05:16:12 AM

Count Zero · Tennis legend

no idea what i'm doing away up at a steven o'clock hour on a weekend but there you go.

also would it be byes only for the top 4 seeds, as the 4 players + 4 byes would make up the 8 missing spots, 8 byes for the seeds would give an initial 40 man draw

still no QS - joke.

steven · Tennis legend

Well, your brain is certainly working better than mine at silly o'clock, I'll give you that!

Count Zero · Tennis legend

lol to be fair i thibk it was indy who cottoned onto it last night.

freerider · Futures level

are there any points for making the FQR here?

steven · Tennis legend

freerider wrote:

are there any points for making the FQR here?

3 - see one of my earlier posts.

indiana · Tennis legend

Woopy doo, a qualifying draw : http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2010/311/qs.pdf

Re ranking points, I know it's 5 for qualifying and Steven said it's 3 for FQR ( as opposed to 12 and 6 respectively if it had been a 32 man main draw ). Not 0 and 0 anyway as the drawsheet shows.

spud · Challenger qualifying

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steven · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:

Woopy doo, a qualifying draw : http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2010/311/qs.pdf

Re ranking points, I know it's 5 for qualifying and Steven said it's 3 for FQR ( as opposed to 12 and 6 respectively if it had been a 32 man main draw ). Not 0 and 0 anyway as the drawsheet shows.
6 for qualifying, I assume the 5 was a typo!

Smethurst double break up against Brugues-Davi
Boggo a break up v Marsalek
Cox a break up v Meatball
Milton a break up v Carpenter

Good to see Dan S hitting the ground running!

Stuart Fraser · Lower Club Player

steven wrote:

The weak qualifying entry is great news for the Brits, of course, though it is a right pain that the Wardinator, Flembo, Eaton & BBD are unable to play in it due to doing 'too well' in Nottingham singles/doubles ... and that none of the brave people here who have played Futures qualifying before went and tried a cheeky sign-in!

Correct me if I'm wrong on this Steven but for example, to play in qualifying for Queens, all Joe Bloggs would have had to do is turn up before 9pm last night, sign in and pay his entry fee? Would he have to have an iPin?

steven · Tennis legend

I see prospective thorn in the side Ilhan is the top Q seed here ...

QR1: Neil Pauffley WR 696 v (q6) Nicolas Mahut (FRA) WR 154
The other seed in this section is (q1) Marsel Ilhan (TUR) WR 127

QR1: Josh Milton WR 543 v Jack Carpenter WR - winner to play (q2) Ilija Bozoljac (SRB) WR 133
QR1: Dan Smethurst WR 343 v Arnau Brugues-Davi (ESP) WR
QR1: (q7) Alex Bogdanovic WR 160 v James Marsalek WR

QR1: Dan Cox WR 559 v Marcus Willis WR 581 - winner to play (q3) Grega Zemlja (SLO) WR 141
The other seed in this section is (q8) Frank Dancevic (CAN) WR 169

QR1: Dan Evans WR 337 v Alex Slabinsky WR 558
QR1: Josh Goodall WR 306 v (q5) Ramon Delgado (PAT) WR 144
The seed in the other half of this section is (q4) Dmitry Tursunov (RUS) WR 143

From the Count - apparently the new Adidas grass court shoes have been banned because they rip up the courts. Oops! Also, the printer at Wueen's has broken so nobody there knows the draw, I've offered to tell him if he calls LOL

indiana · Tennis legend

steven wrote:

indiana wrote:

Woopy doo, a qualifying draw : http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2010/311/qs.pdf

Re ranking points, I know it's 5 for qualifying and Steven said it's 3 for FQR ( as opposed to 12 and 6 respectively if it had been a 32 man main draw ). Not 0 and 0 anyway as the drawsheet shows.
6 for qualifying, I assume the 5 was a typo!

Smethurst double break up against Brugues-Davi
Boggo a break up v Marsalek
Cox a break up v Meatball
Milton a break up v Carpenter

Good to see Dan S hitting the ground running!

No, I understand it is 5 for qualifying. Says so on stevegtennis.com and Count says so above smile

spud · Challenger qualifying

I'd pick Slabba over Evans in current form and surface.

steven · Tennis legend

Stuart Fraser wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong on this Steven but for example, to play in qualifying for Queens, all Joe Bloggs would have had to do is turn up before 9pm last night, sign in and pay his entry fee? Would he have to have an iPin?

I believe that's true, yes - I can't find any rule that says there's a minimum raning or other type of requirement for qualifying sign in. I'm not sure if an IPIN is required for non-ITF events but I think it is. There's no entry fee for Tour level events, even though there usually is an entry fee for Challengers.

The main risk of a cheeky sign-in is, of course, that you make a complete idiot of yourself as a decent player uses you for target practice, but it would be quite an experience!