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Boggo for Davis Cup....


I'm sure this might belong the Turkey DC thread, but I really do feel the need to create a seperate thread for this.

With a new captain now at the helm, he HAS to make the decision to bring back the second best player in the country. Alex has won NINE challenger titles, that is seven more than any of the other contenders, and is currently nearly 100 places above the British number three. Without looking at the stats he has won against more top 100 players than everyone else put together and won many, many more against top 200 players than everyone else put together.

Many DC captains have made Boggo unfairly the scrapegoat after DC failures, and they have listened too much to the media who have jumped on Alex for his Wimbly performances. Before anyone calls me a hypocrite I did state before the Ukraine tie that Boggo should take a step aside to allow others a chance, but those other players have failed ABYSMALLY, and not taking their chance

Lets compare Boggo's DC record with others:

Boggo
L to Lleyton Hewitt WR 1 5-7 1-6 2-6
W against Todd Woodbridge UNR (CH 19) 6-2 7-6(4)
L to Noam Okun WR 147 6-7(3) 2-6 2-6
L Noam Okun WR 270 4-6 5-7 2-6
L to Agustin Calleri WR 41 3-6 1-6 1-6
L to Jose Acasuso WR 50 5-7 5-7
L to Jurgen Melzer WR 41 6-3 6-7(3) 2-6 1-6
L to Alexander Peya WR 164 6-2 4-6 4-6 2-6

On the face of it a 1-7 record not great. But four of the losses were against top 50 players. He pushed the world number one very hard in the first set on his debut when he was only 18, and then had a terrific win against one half of the best doubles combo the world has ever seen. They were a lamb to slaughter against Argentina away on clay. The Austria match he played great in the first two sets against Melzer, who had pushed Andy to five sets just weeks before, and was injured in the final match against Peya. The Okun matches were not great granted, and Alex was not in a great state mentally.

Baker
L to Bubka WR 495 3-6 6-7(6)
L to Cilic WR 108 4-6 4-6
L to Nalbandian WR 9 1-6 3-6 3-6
W against Calleri WR 41 7-6(4) 6-4

If I remember no coverage of Bubka match so not much to gauge from that, but was completely outclassed by Cilic and Nalby (who went 5-0 up in 10 minutes and didn't get out of first gear after that). Encouaging dead rubber win over Calleri, but obviously suffered illness soon after that so couldn't build on it. Could well be number three by the Turkey tie. A try hard player who has made the most of his talent and will not let you down.

Goodall
L to Illya Marchenko WR 224 6-7(2) 6-7(5) 6-7(5)
L to Sergeyev WR 398 6-7(3) 3-6

Not to bad a performace against Marchenko, who has since gone on to be top 100 (but didn't look that good at the time) but a dire loss to Sergeyev in the dead rubber. Is in a slump and has proven himself well capable of losing to players outside the top 1000. Not the man for the job.

Eaton
L to Stakhovsky 3-6 6-3 3-6 4-6
W against Marchenko WR 224 6-3 4-6 7-6(5)

Good performance but not comfortable on slow surfaces. More than capable of doing a job on grass or a fast indoor court, but we need to build a team that can perform on all surfaces.

Evans
L to Janowicz WR 261 3-6 3-6 6-7(5)
L to Przysiezny WR 678 2-6 1-6 5-7
L to Berankis WR 198 1-6 6-4 6-7(5) 6-3 3-6
L to Grigelis WR 521 7-6(6) 5-7 0-6 6-2 4-6

Losing two rubbers to Poland wasn't a disgrace, but only twice taking it to an extended set was not good. All encouraging signs against Berankis were thrown away in a poor loss to Grigelis. Proved himself way to flakey at the moment, hopefully will come back strong in the future.
 
Ward
W against Grigelis WR 521 6-4 6-2 6-4
L against Berankis WR 198 6-7(4) 6-3 6-4

Solid, if unspectacular debut. Beat someone he should have beaten, and lost to someone he should have lost to (although maybe should have pushed harder). Will be hard to drop, and the spots should be between him, Baker and Boggo. Was unlucky not to be picked before after play-off loss to Eaton and illness against Poland.

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Alex Wimbly losses should NOT be held against him, only Eaton out of the above (and he is not really a contender) has won a match there, and of the three main contenders (Ward, Evans and Baker) only Baker has won a set there. The media's portrayal of him should NOT be held against him.

The only thing the captain should look at is the fact he is our countries second best player, and with Andy RIGHTLY not playing, Boggo should be a shoe-in. He is the only British player to even play a challenger level match this year, others have lost in futures first rounds or attempted to qualify for ATP's which they are not good enough for. Their ambitions are either too low or two high.

BOGGO FOR DC.

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Does anyone know whether.
1. Alex would accept if he was asked
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2. Would relish the prospect of playing DC again and if unsuccessful be able to brush off the inevitable media backlash.

If you ask my opinion he is better off out of it.

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Thanks very much, Wolf, for such detail and context.

I think I am like many others in thinking Boggo has been treated appallingly and has been left out when he should have been picked.

I absolutely agree he should have been a shoe-in for selection v Lithuania ( and on other occasions ), and I think we know what the result would almost certainly have been .

Clearly GB's no 2 player and his Davis Cup and Wimbleon record, while disappointing on a few occasions, being fantasised to be much worse than is truth and others would really have done no better.

( and folk still try to defend Lloyd !!!! ??   and I couldn't care a **** if it would supposedly have been a "brave" choice )  

But it is such a mess with regards to how the tennis authorities have allowed ( arguably almost encouraged at times ) the media to get away with unfair villification as being some sort of perrenial failure when it matters.

I'd love him now to be selected and play, but I would totally understand why he might say "forget it !"

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I say bring Boggo back. Hopefully Alex will be forgiving because he would have the right to say "forget it" after all that, but there are many of us ordinary folk who want him back and realise how great he'd be for the team, some of us who still hold out hope that we might actually win a DC tie and would like to win a DC tie... if Boggo is feeling kind so maybe he will agree to play again, but not for the LTA's sake, for the sake of us ordinary folk who want him back and have known all along that we need him back.

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As there seemed to be much discussion about JL not being to blame for the lack of depth in British men's tennis, I emailed the SKY team to see whether they thought he should be blamed for not picking our 2nd best player. I suggested Alex should be judged on rankings/injuries as per Wolf's summary above and the fact that he's the one player who is consistently winning matches at Challenger level. Peter Flemming was basically of the opinion that Alex and DC should each follow their separate paths.

With support like that, I think he's right.

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Flemming coached Alex for a little while, and as far as i am aware has generally backed Alex up in the media etc. he may be suggesting that more for Alex's benefit than GB's.

From everything Alex has said to me he is not against the idea of playing DC again in the future, but he will probably look to put his singles career 1st. If they want him for the turkey tie and it severely effects his singles chances (possibly missing newport and maybe an event the week after, we need to see that challenger calendar) then they would really have to make it worth his while.

Alex hasn't forgotten he was dropped from their elite AEGON squad either, he wasn't happy about that and i;d imagine he'd want something sorted out in that regard.

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If he's prepared to play then Boggo is the obvious choice. In fact I would say that the new captain's job is relatively simple - he needs to do any two of:

1) Get Andy to play
2) Get Boggo to play
3) Look interested during the match

Getting Andy to play is a bit of a problem but if we got Boggo involved we only really need to consider our #2 player, but at this level Boggo will very likely win two rubbers - with Flemski in the doubles the new boos could pick me for the other two rubbers and we would win 3-2. After the DC live rubber monkey has been removed from Boggo's back he would be a shoe-in for future ties and get us back into Europe I next year at which point Andy might play again.

I hope the new guy is good at grovelling.



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Yes, dropping Alex from the AEGON squad was ridiculous too.

I'd love to have known any reasoning given.

Yes, Alex we know you are clearly GB's no 2 player, by quite some distance in the rankings and I mean you actually sometimes win stuff. But hey, you've learnt over the years to look after the pennies, you'll find a way to reach most tournaments you need to.  Meanwhile, we want to use our resources to help other younger players be all they can be, like wouldn't it be great to get say another top 150 player, like another Alex Bogdanovic.

-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 18th of March 2010 01:50:31 PM

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I think the reason was that he had much funding in the past and he didn't reach the personal goal set for him to remain in the squad. obviously his goal was significantly higher than anyone else's, i believe 100.

i would hazard a guess was that the real reason was a PR move. We all know Boggo has bad press so it was a chance for the LTA to push that negative press away and say look we are acting tough (and as we still see most of the mainstream media believe boggo wouldn't have been good enough to make the difference vs Lithuania, or maybe they do realise he would but are reluctant to say after their previous treatment of him; I have seen a Murray quote about Evo & Boggo in the future DC in regards to the captain, but most that have reprinted the quote, like the times, dropped the Boggo reference).

I cant believe it was ever about the money, we are talking about, what £15k at most, a drop in the ocean compared to the total the LTA have at their disposal.

thing is Alex cant really win either, if he does succeed and breakthrough the LTA will claim they were right in their action and this was the spur he needed (again), or if he drops they will claim they foresaw he had peaked and was always going to drop.

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