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Ballys ranking - How high can it go?


Really don't want to jinx her but I did some calculations this afternoon here in Melbourne while you all slept smile The march towards the top 50 and hopefully beyond is well and truly on.

I have her currently at exactly 60 with a few girls (Kvitova & Sevastova especially) still to play their second round match. Though these matches are of course both against seeds and even winning that match it wont be enough to overtake her.

Whats more is that Benesova and Makarova are both out and they defend 250 and 140 points from Miami so unless they out do Bally in Miami she will over take them after Miami and move up to 58. Obviously other results can throw this out of the water but it's all very encouraging. 

Shes also standing at 25 in the race without adding IW points and should be moving up there at a guess.

Its been a fantastic year so far and long may it continue.

Prediction time then. End of year of 30.

So what do you think? Am I aiming too high?

Onwards and upwards!


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500 points in the first three months on the year. Not bad. Nothing to suggest she can't repeat that and go at least top 40. If she matches that tally at each GS event and making a few semis and quarters at other Tour events... can't say it's beyond her. Beating Li proves she has the weapons to take her higher and the determination to show she can. FINGERS CROSSED. She's up there, mixing it with some big players and she's not going down easily (apart from Safina in Oz) so hey... she's got every chance of doing it and going higher.

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Like Anne last year Bally should be targeting a seeding position for wimbledon/ US open.

Top 50 is the next goal, one which she is obviously more than capable of reaching

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Over 500 points in the first 10 weeks of the year certainly suggests top 20-25 by the end of the year if she continues to amass points at the same rate. However, there are a few reasons why that might not happen:

1) The clay court season starts soon (enough said!)

2) She is clearly on a massive confidence high at the moment. It's hard to believe there won't be a dip at some point during the year and difficult to predict what might happen when her confidence dips and how long she would take to get out of any (mini-)slump, though I would trust Severino to help a lot in that context.

3) She has had some very decent draws this year, e.g. avoiding a seed in R1 of the AO and getting one of the lowest seeds in R2, then getting a top 10 player in IW with a style of play that Elena likes to play against (according to DavidC, whose expertise in matters WTA I trust!) - that's not to take anything away from her achievements, which have been fabulous (and after all, countless Brits haven't made the most of any luck they've had with their draws in the past) but she's almost certain to get a run of rubbish draws at some stage.

Of course, if she managed to keep this hot run of form going for long enough to get to the point where she was seeded for slams, she'd be far more likely to continue to get winnable draws in the first couple of rounds.

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Bally has been so impressive this year but after taking a good look at her record and things, I don't want us to get carried away here even if it was incredible what she did this week.

What works for her:

- She is a great fighter
- She is extremely confident
- She has a big game and can challenge virtually anybody when she is on
- She has some variety in her game in that she can volley and her slice is decent too, the same can't be said for most of the top 50.
- She has a great head on her shoulders and a good team around her.

Against:

- She certainly won't pick up as many points in the clay season

- She has been extremely lucky with draws this season, in fact she has actually *only* beaten 4 top 100 players this year including the Li win

- Again, not belittling the amazing achievemnt but Li is such an inconsistent player that she could lose to just about ANYBODY on any given day and is in fact 1-3 vs non top 50 players this year.

- Also, upsets are pretty common on the WTA nowadays. It doesn't indicate that a player will be able to play at that level all the time or even more than that one match. Just look at Dulko, she went from beating Justine to losing 6-1 6-0 to Radwanska a second ago. In fact she has had so many big upsets (incl. Sharapova at Wimbledon last year) but has virtually never been able to back them up.

- Her confidence is going to drop, it happens to everyone, even the Williams Sisters and Henin

- She will no doubt start playing higher level tournaments if she wants to continue to move up, will she be able to consistenly beat top 50 players?

- Her movement and timing will hinder her at consistently beating players above her. She may be able to get some scalps but i'm scared that unless she's in her ultra pumped-up frame of mind in every match she can be bossed around by the good players.



I hate to be the pessimist, I really do. And I would LOVE to be proven wrong but i'm just not sure she will be able to go THAT high. Top 50 for sure, top 40 is certainly possible. But I just don't think she can go any higher. PROVE ME WRONG BALLY!

-- Edited by Tutu on Sunday 14th of March 2010 07:29:50 PM

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Great post, Tutu, I agree with virtually all of that.

I will add something though to the question of ranking points and draws.

Elena has been playing very well, but her actual points total as has been said does owe a lot to draws and she hasn't actually beaten that many top players.  As Tutu says, just four top 100 players going into IW. 

I was looking yesterday at Molik's activity this year, which led me retropspectively to consider her results this year were just as good as Bally's so on these the Molik match was probably about 50-50 and as Bally pointed out afterwards, Molik has more experience of these sort of matches.

Anyway, what was very interesting re draws / points is that in spite of Molik having won 5 of 11 matches ( one loss was Fed Cup ) going into IW, all against players ranked 106 or higher ( other 10 were top 100 ), won 3 of 7 against top 60 players, she had picked up only 166 ranking points compared to Bally's over 400.  She also had a win in Dubia against Jie Zheng ( WR 20 ) and Aus Open semi-finalist on her record 

For instance she won first rounds in $220K tour events against ranks 60 & 56, but lost 2nd round to ranks 18 & 33 respectively.  Also losing in Aus Open to Julie Coin ( WR 75 and the lowest ranked player she  has lost to this year ) kept her out of big points there.

So, yes, we can expect dips during the year from Bally, but even with no dips different draws could very severely cut down her points.

Bally has all the qualities that Tutu mentions such as confidence and fighting ability, but I also agree the "againsts".  The Li victory was really great, but Li can be a bit inconsistent and I don't think it is heresy to suggest that she was maybe a fair bit off her best, and some of Bally's other victories in IW ( closer than expected ) didn't suggest that result was coming. In any event, as Tutu says, upsets like that are not uncommon.

Finally, I think I should emphasise that I do think Bally has indeed had a great start to the year, in case the above seems to be too pessimistic.

Very capable of top 50 this year,which will be a fine achievment if she makes it. But I would  be surprised and delighted if she got very far beyond that and I don't see her getting in to the top 40. 

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I think Bally is a certainty for top 50 bar injury or a major drop in form given the number of points already gained this year. I would also give her a 50% chance of making the top 40 and probably a 10% chance of any higher. The main reason for my positivity is that she very rarely loses to players of similar ability. She also has Nino by her side every step of the way and he is such a big factor in her success. When Bally retires I suspect there will be plenty of takers for Nino's services.

I think my only slight concern for Bally at the moment is her physical wellbeing. Having read her recent blogs I hadn't realised what meticulous efforts were needed to ensure she kept her various niggles under control. She has played alot more matches than would normally be the case for this stage in the season and the end of last year was pretty busy as well. So it is just possible she may hit a 'wall' sooner rather than later. I'm pretty certain that must have been a factor in her poor performance against Molik.

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I think top 30 is achievable. Maybe it's because I only ever really see the british girls on grass (Eastbourne and Wimbledon) which makes them look comparatively good, but if Kaia Kanepi and Martinez Sanchez can get into the top 30 so can Elena Baltacha.

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As much as I dislike her and sh eis a cheat, Martinez sanchez is such a great player. But I see your point, worse players have made the top 30. But we will see, it is still a long long way off.

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Looking at Elena's points, if she is to make the top 50 this year, it looks to me as though she will need to gather nearly half as much again in points as she did in April to December last year, and getting on towards double last year's April to December points if she is to make top 40.  30th place would look to involve her continuing to gather points for the rest of the year at getting quite close to her rate in the first 3 months, and over twice what she obtained in the last 9 months last year.

Currently once IW points are added :

Jan to March 10  ( 4 counting tournaments )   480
April to Dec  09  ( 12 counting tournaments )  568
Total                                                               1048

Currently 50th place in rankings is 1290 points. She would achieve that with 480 + 810 ( April to Dec 10 )  = 1290 points.

Currently 40th place in the rankings is 1512 points. She would achieve that with 480 + 1032 ( April to Dec 10 ) = 1512 points.

Currently 30th place in the rankings is 1735 points. She would achieve that with 480 + 1255 ( April to Dec 10 ) = 1735 points.

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You probably have to factor in the dreaded clay court season and the summer US hard court season which have never been the happiest of hunting grounds.

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I really don't know why she is usually so bad in the US. One would think her game would flourish on fast hardcourts.

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indiana wrote:

Looking at Elena's points, if she is to make the top 50 this year, it looks to me as though she will need to gather nearly half as much again in points as she did in April to December last year, and getting on towards double last year's April to December points if she is to make top 40.  30th place would look to involve her continuing to gather points for the rest of the year at getting quite close to her rate in the first 3 months, and over twice what she obtained in the last 9 months last year.

Currently once IW points are added :

Jan to March 10  ( 4 counting tournaments )   480
April to Dec  09  ( 12 counting tournaments )  568
Total                                                               1048

Currently 50th place in rankings is 1290 points. She would achieve that with 480 + 810 ( April to Dec 10 )  = 1290 points.

Currently 40th place in the rankings is 1512 points. She would achieve that with 480 + 1032 ( April to Dec 10 ) = 1512 points.

Currently 30th place in the rankings is 1735 points. She would achieve that with 480 + 1255 ( April to Dec 10 ) = 1735 points.



That doesn't make it sound so hard. Eastbourne QF and Wimbledon L16 and that's 500+ right there. Who needs clay anyway!

 



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