Week 40 - ITF ($50k) - Barnstaple, Indoor Hard

RBBOT · Futures qualifying

RE: Week 40 - ITF ($50k) - Barnstaple, Indoor Hard

RBBOT · Futures qualifying

I've edited my post with the count of tournaments from the wta site in case it helps track down issues.

-- Edited by RBBOT on Tuesday 6th of October 2009 10:47:30 PM

steven · Tennis legend

RBBOT wrote:
I was just comparing them to the WTA site, and they do look out - but not just for that reason. I'm sure Stephen can explain the reasons, but there are 14 players with fewer 2009 tournaments on the WTA list

e.g. Danielle Brown only shows 9 t / 14 pts on the WTA list but 16 t / 23 pts on stephen's list.

However 2 (Anna Fitzpatrick & Naomi Broady) have 1 more tournament on the WTA list

I suspect it may be a mix me misunderstanding the definition of the column and a few typos - I'm fairly sure Danielle can't have 14 pts total but 23 ytd!

Danielle Brown's points total is correct on both lists, there's just a timing issue because YTD Pts on my table include all points scored in the year even if they won't be going on the rankings for a week or two.

All of Danielle's points have been scored in 2009 and she's scored 23 points so far this year, but only 14 of them are included in her ranking at the moment because the 9 points from Q+L16 in the Mount Gambier 25K won't go on the rankings until Monday week.

As for the number of tournaments, I'll check that out, but they're probably the least important numbers on the table and if they are 1 or 2 out, I must admit I'm not that bothered. Of course, one of the extra tournaments in YTD T for Danielle will be this week's tournament, so we're only looking for one more.

-- Edited by steven on Tuesday 6th of October 2009 10:50:48 PM

Mikeduke · County player

Day three (?) round up as I'm totally lost for results in this thread.

R1:(no brit) PERVAK, Ksenia (RUS) 1 WR137 vs FEDOSSOVA, Yulia (FRA) WR184 - 1st on court 4
R1:CAVADAY, Naomi (GBR) WR230 vs ROBSON, Laura (GBR) WR460 - 2nd on centre
R1:(no brit) BOCZOVA, Klaudia (SVK) WR473 vs LAINE, Emma (FIN) WR461 (Q) - 2nd on court 5
R1:(no brit) HOFMANOVA, Nikola (AUT) WR201 beat VAKULENKO, Julia (UKR) 7 WR168 7-6(3) 6-3
R1:PARMENTIER, Pauline (FRA) 3 WR146 vs PARISH, Helen (GBR) (Q) WR1019 - 1st on court 5
R1:GEHRLEIN, Stephanie (GER) WR261 vs GEORGE, Nicola (GBR) UNR - 1st on centre
R1:CURTIS, Jade (GBR) WR369 beat MOORE, Tara (GBR) WR565 2-6 6-2 7-6(5) smile

R1:(no brit) STANCIUTE, Lina (LTU) WR197 beat MAROSI, Katalin (HUN) 8 WR179 6-2 6-0

R1:(no brit) WIENEROVA, Lenka (SVK) 6 WR164 beat ANI, Maret (EST) WR191 6-4 6-2
R1:PITER, Katarzyna (POL) WR349 lost to WHYBOURN, Lisa (GBR) (WC) UNR 3-6 6-1 6-2 biggrin

R1:(no brit) STEVENSON, Alexandra (USA) WR236 lost to GERASIMOU, Anna (GRE) WR240 6-3 6-2
R1:SMITH, Anna (GBR) (Q) WR412 vs ARVIDSSON, Sofia (SWE) 4 WR150 - 2nd on court 4
R1:(no brit) HLAVACKOVA, Andrea (CZE) 5 WR155 vs LIVADARU, Anna (GER) (Q) WR681 - 3rd on court 4
R1:(no brit) LARSSON, Johanna (SWE) WR242 beat GEUER, Nicola (GER) WR357 6-2 6-3
R1:(no brit) JUGIC-SALKIC, Mervana (BIH) WR233 lost to MLADENOVIC, Kristina (FRA) WR268 6-0 1-0 Retired
R1:WATSON, Heather (GBR) WC WR678 vs SOUTH, Melanie (GBR) 2 WR143 - 3rd on centre

steven · Tennis legend

I was just comparing them to the WTA site, and they do look out - but not just for that reason. I'm sure Stephen can explain the reasons, but there are 14 players with fewer 2009 tournaments on the WTA list

The more I look into this, the more confused I get! wink

Where are you getting the no. of 2009 tournaments from?

If it's from the ranking list, that will include 2008 tournaments too, so that can't be where you're getting them from.

If it's from the Race list, that seems to exclude loads of tournaments (all ITFs?) since Elena's points total is far too low, so that can't be it.

If it's from the WTA activity page, that excludes all tournaments where the player played qualifying, so that can't be it.

My 16 tournaments for Danielle:

1 Glasgow Q+MD
2 Wrexham Q
3 Vale de Lobo Q+MD
4 Albufeira Q
5 Bath Q
6 Jersey Q+MD
7 Antalya-Belek 1 (4-6 Apr) Q
8 Antalya-Belek 2 (11-13 Apr) Q
9 Bournemouth MD
10 Fuerteventura MD
11 Cantahede MD
12 Atlanta Q
13 Evansville
14 Darwin 1 Q+MD
15 Darwin 2 Q
16 Mount Gambier Q+MD

... I'm not saying that proves that I'm right and your source is wrong for all of the GB top 25, but I'd certainly say it proves that my number is correct for Danielle.

If you can shed any more light on this, it would be good - although YTD T doesn't matter too much, if there are discrepancies that are my fault, I might as well correct them. (hopefully there aren't of course!)

steven · Tennis legend

Having looked into the YTDs in more detail:

1) Where my T numbers are 1 or 2 higher than those implied by the WTA pages and/or the points scored so far this year are higher, it's because my YTD figures include all 2009 tournaments including this week's tournaments, whereas the WTA figures don't include this week's tournaments and don't include last week's tournaments either if the points are not on the WTA system yet, i.e. if they were 25K or 10K events. So we're both right, but my figures are more up to date.

2) Naomi B's missing tournament is a result of me forgetting to make a manual adjustment to increment the T number by 2 if a player took part in two events (Eastbourne Q and Wimbledon Q) in week 24 - this also affects Wobbly and I have corrected this for both of them on weeks 24-40.

3) Anna F's missing tournament is a result of me somehow managing to copy the end of week 34 YTDs into the (hidden) week 36 "YTD before this week" columns instead of copying the end of week 35 YTDs into those columns, so a number of players were missing 1 tournament and in a few cases some points for the YTD Pts column as well - that's all now been corrected for weeks 36 through 40.

-- Edited by steven on Wednesday 7th of October 2009 12:25:09 PM

wolf · Tennis legend

Cavaday leads Robson *4-3

wolf · Tennis legend

Cavaday takes the first set 6-4.

alex03maccy · Grand Slam Champion

keep it up cav.

wolf · Tennis legend

Pauline PARMENTIER (FRA) (3) defeated Helen PARISH (GBR) 6-1 6-0
Stephanie GEHRLEIN (GER) defeated Nicola GEORGE (GBR) 6-2 6-1

philwrig · Hall of fame

Wolf where are you getting the Cav score from ?

steven · Tennis legend

Probably the same place as me - someone from AM.com who's there is posting the odd update on AM.com at the end of http://www.andymurray.com/forum/showthread.php?t=985&page=41

philwrig · Hall of fame

Thanks Steven.

steven · Tennis legend

I think Helen Parish should be invited to become a member here - she's just passed the awful puns entrance exam ... smile

"Lost to Parmentier 1 and 0- good experience though. Doubles later with Sam Vickers...we have a nice church theme going on!"

-- Edited by steven on Wednesday 7th of October 2009 12:44:53 PM

johnnylad · Tennis legend