Wimbledon R1: IT'S BOGGO TIME!

mjd · Challenger qualifying

RE: Wimbledon R1: IT'S BOGGO TIME!

steven · Tennis legend

I see PHM is getting mullered by Berdbrain at the moment - 6-2 2-0 - Boggo must wish he'd been drawn against the Frenchman instead!

ForeverDelayed · Grand Slam Champion

Mathieu tries to play clay court tennis on a grass court, which against someone like Berdych when he's on form just doesn't work.

indiana · Tennis legend

mjd wrote:

There are a lot of players NOT in the top 100 and most probably never will be, there are a lot of soccer players NOT in the premier league and never will be. Etc,etc. but providing these all play to the best of their ability they should not be criticised, after all, these 'experts' and some on here doing the criticising didn't make it either apart from maybe Tim and in todays world he may not have made it either.

Very true, BUT many folk that are not just out to have a pop really do believe that Boggo has not made the best of his abilities.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

Berdy is now 62 64 20* up on PHM.

Indy, i think we would all agree for whatever reason Boggo hasn't made the most of his talent, however the level of hate and abuse he receives as a result of that is not justified.

-- Edited by Count Zero on Thursday 25th of June 2009 12:33:23 PM

Ratty · County player

Note to self: Gotta be careful not to be rude ...

With the greatest of respect, my knowledgeable friend Indiana, etc etc,

Boggo is a good ball striker, no doubt about that. But that is not nearly enough to make a good living as a pro tennis player.

He has 2 major disadvantages:

1. A weedy physique.

Although others, like Davydenko, have worked hard to counter this, they clearly don't have Boggo's second disadvantage, which is:

2. A lack of determination

He does his best within his genetic limitations. Why give him a hard time?

indiana · Tennis legend

Count Zero wrote:

Indy, i think we would all agree for whatever reason Boggo hasn't made the most of his talent, however the level of hate and abuse he receives as a result of that is not justified.

-- Edited by Count Zero on Thursday 25th of June 2009 12:33:23 PM

Absolutely agree. My point was only, as you indeed and many folk agree, that for whatever reasons, and it has been much discussed on this forum, I do not beleve he has managed to make the best of his abilities. Be it fitness, the mental side whatever.

Some things are certainly genetic as ratty says, and of course that can be a hindrance. But even they generally can be worked on to various degrees to improve them. Boggo himself says he has recently been working really very hard on his fitness and he sees that paying dividends in the near future. If that is indeed the case ( and I do think there was work to be done ) then the question maybe needs asked as to why does he himself feel that at this stage in his career there was so much room for improvement in that area ?

Again I absolutely agree, of course, that some of the media are ridiculous. But I woiuld like to think we ourselves can have reasonable conversations here.

-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 25th of June 2009 12:52:45 PM

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-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 25th of June 2009 01:09:08 PM

Scratchy · Club Coach

Hmmmmm Boggo took more games off Berdych than world number 38 Mathieu. Theres a fact that won't get printed in the morning papers!!!

ForeverDelayed · Grand Slam Champion

Still work for Boggo to do...

He's only been ranked 34th in the Times list of the top 50 great british losers!!!

Quite how Andy Murray has been ranked 11th though is beyond me... but it's not much of a surprise to see Tim Henman ranked number 1.

steven · Tennis legend

Surely there's some mistake - shouldn't the person who compiled the list be at the top of it?

Count Zero · Tennis legend

obviusuly the list is tounge in cheek

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/article2725829.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1

as to lose you need first to have a chance to win, which places you above all the people who never even had that chance.

steven · Tennis legend

Scratchy wrote:
Hmmmmm Boggo took more games off Berdych than world number 38 Mathieu. Theres a fact that won't get printed in the morning papers!!!

... and here's an updated fact that won't appear in the Sundays either:

Games won against Berdbrain at Wimby 2009

11 Boggo (ranked 191)
10 PHM (ranked 38)
7 Davydenko (ranked 11)

Count Zero · Tennis legend

just what i was thinking steven, but i thought davy won 8 games.

the form berdy is in he will test a-rod i feel.

fart1 · Junior player

Boggo is an an old fart and should play doubles with all the other drop-outs, failures and old-farts. He'll never land a coaching role nor will he get anywhere in singles. Retirement might be a good career poss?

disbelief

steven · Tennis legend

Count Zero wrote:
just what i was thinking steven, but i thought davy won 8 games.

6-2 6-3 6-2 it says on the Wimbledon site.