Week 12 - Challenger ($50K) - Khorat, Thailand

Vandenburg · Futures level

RE: Week 12 - Challenger ($50K) - Khorat, Thailand

steven · Tennis legend

There are three bookmakers offering odds on the Khorat matches - http://odds.bestbetting.com/tennis/challenger-series/khorat/matches/ - they give Josh a 43% chance of beating Lorenzi.

Smidster · Challenger level

LORENZI, Paolo ITA d. GOODALL, Joshua GBR 64 60

Count Zero · Tennis legend

looks like the bookies were right. and the post DC curse contiunes.

steven · Tennis legend

Ouch, I didn't think Josh would necessarily win, but I thought it would be close - and so did the bookies judging by the odds.

That's Boggo back in the GB no. 2 slot unless Josh qualifies for a Challenger next week, which seems unlikely since they're both on clay. Josh should just about hold on to a place in the top 200.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

wasn't too surprised to be honest, despite having a career high ranking the lvl of opponents Josh has been beating recently are much lower than he used too. from what i can tell he has 20 wins over top 250 players at challenger level (he may have beaten more at futures), but the majority of them came in the earlier stages of his career, when he was often picking up wins over top 150. I wonder if the lvl of his game has dropped as he played lower class opposition and now struggles to raise his game against the tougher opponents

(just a quick comparison Boggo has 101 wins over top 250 players at challenger and above lvl)

steven · Tennis legend

Count Zero wrote:
(just a quick comparison Boggo has 101 wins over top 250 players at challenger and above lvl)

You have been busy! wink

If you're right about Josh being far less successful against top 250 players than he used to be, then the fact that Josh can be at a career high just shows how stupid it is to have a ranking system that only takes into account the prize money and how far you get and takes no account of the strength of players you play against.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

steven wrote:

Count Zero wrote:
(just a quick comparison Boggo has 101 wins over top 250 players at challenger and above lvl)
You have been busy!

Just doing a 'Steven'

i just scanned through the results on tennis insight, which only does challengers + which is why my stats don't include futures, but does always show a ranking unlike the ATP who often put NA down for some reason. does the ITF results page show rankings? i know they have the full results listing.

i am pretty sure it fairly accurate, i think since the start of 2007 josh has had only 7 wins over top 250 guys

-- Edited by Count Zero on Wednesday 25th of March 2009 10:26:57 AM

Vandenburg · Futures level

so in conclusion hes not a top 200 player but on paper and points he is??

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

I wonder if there's some kind of fitness problem? Josh & Joe Sirianni have given the "Rati Thais" a walkover in the first round of the doubles. There's no mention of a reason on the ATP draw sheet & I realise that Sirianni could be the one who was crocked, but...

Count Zero · Tennis legend

could be SC. a bagel set followed by a pull out. lets hope for his sake it isnt too bad.

its shame this trip to the far east hasn't really paid off (if you exclude dubs) for either Josh or Slabba.

Sheddie · administrator

Josh injured his wrist in the loss against Lorenzi hence the doubles withdrawal. He's heading back to UK right now....is his next tournament Baton Rouge in a week and a bit or is he scheduled to compete next week ?

Count Zero · Tennis legend

Thats a shame to hear. dont think he is scheduled for next week. lets hope the wrist injury isnt too serious.

steven · Tennis legend

That explains the bagel then, poor Josh. It can't be fun to go that far for a few Challengers and end up with little to show for it but an injury.

Count - no, ITF doesn't show rankings against the results.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

steven wrote:

Count - no, ITF doesn't show rankings against the results.

hmm, thye dont make it easy for us statastitians do they