Battle for the top

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Battle for the top

christ · Futures qualifying

indiana wrote:
Could Dominic Thiem be the player that ends the over 16 year dynasty of one of 4 players being ATP #1?

17 years, now.

If my maths is right, it will be 900 weeks sometime in May (5th?)

Edit: although that includes 22 weeks of limbo - I don't know if that counts or not?

-- Edited by christ on Monday 15th of February 2021 01:56:08 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

christ wrote:
indiana wrote:
Could Dominic Thiem be the player that ends the over 16 year dynasty of one of 4 players being ATP #1?
17 years, now.
If my maths is right, it will be 900 weeks sometime in May (5th?)

Edit: although that includes 22 weeks of limbo - I don't know if that counts or not?

-- Edited by christ on Monday 15th of February 2021 01:56:08 PM

Yes, it certainly can be said to be over 17 years since anyone else was #1.

Even not counting these 22 suspended weeks in the individual counts, according to wiki Djokovic is just about to pass Ferderer's total weeks at #1. The 22/02/21 rankings will take it to Federer 310 weeks, Djokovic 309 ( Nadal 209 ). And Djokovic will be #1 for a while yet.

indiana · Tennis legend

With the 08/03/21 update Djokovic duly tots up most weeks as ATP #1, even excluding the suspension in ranking updates from March to August 2020.

1. N Djokovic 311
2. R Federer 310
3. P Sampras 286
4. I Lendl 270
5. J Connors 268
6. R Nadal 209

14. A Murray 41

indiana · Tennis legend

It's been mentioned elsewhere but worth noting here, now that Medvedev has actually succeeded in winning 2 rounds on RG clay, that he could theoretically go to WR 1 after RG. It does for starters need him to somehow reach the final ( enough if Djokovic doesn't reach the final from the top half ). If both Djokovic and Medvedev reach the final the winner will be WR 1.

Current live rankings :
1. Djokovic 10713 ( 11313 - 50% of his 1200 points for being 2020 runner up )
2. Medvedev 9873 ( 9793 + so far 80 additional points over his existing 10 RG points )

Potential points :
Djokovic : champion 12113, runner up 11313 ( any RG points above 600 add to his live total )
Medvedev : champion 11783, runner up 10983 ( every extra RG point he earns will add to his live total )

Nadal will be at best WR 3 after RG, having to win the title again just to stay on 9630 points.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, still at the RG QF stage Medvedev could have theoretically gone to WR 1 after RG. But in fact not close to truly happening and Djokovic increased his points lead at the top.

1. Djokovic 12113
2. Medvedev 10143
3. Nadal 8630

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

And Djoko of course has the first two slams of the season and his eye on the Grand Slam in 2021.

flamingowings · All-time great

JonH comes home wrote:
And Djoko of course has the first two slams of the season and his eye on the Grand Slam in 2021.

Probably the golden slam (assuming Olympics goes ahead and he plays it)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

flamingowings wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
And Djoko of course has the first two slams of the season and his eye on the Grand Slam in 2021.
Probably the golden slam (assuming Olympics goes ahead and he plays it)

Yep, I didnt mention the Olympics as i am not sure I like the comparison of the Golden Slam with the times of Laver who could never play the Olympics, of course. But also I personally dont think it should go ahead and am also sure it will likely have a reduced entry standard regardless and not , as such, carry as much weight.

flamingowings · All-time great

JonH comes home wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
And Djoko of course has the first two slams of the season and his eye on the Grand Slam in 2021.
Probably the golden slam (assuming Olympics goes ahead and he plays it)
Yep, I didnt mention the Olympics as i am not sure I like the comparison of the Golden Slam with the times of Laver who could never play the Olympics, of course. But also I personally dont think it should go ahead and am also sure it will likely have a reduced entry standard regardless and not , as such, carry as much weight.

Regardless of the Olympics situation, I think he will be targeting it and likely winning all 5 this year.

indiana · Tennis legend

With Djookovic now only one Slam title behind Federer and Nadal and having won all 4 Slams at least twice, with a more balanced Slam spread, plus having positive overall H2H records against the other two, it may become increasingly difficult to suggest that Djokovic is not the era's best for on court achievement.

The argument may then be more about whether he ends up the all-time GOAT. Many might say an ugly GOAT but the GOAT nevertheless.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 14th of June 2021 02:33:29 PM

flamingowings · All-time great

indiana wrote:
With Djookovic now only one Slam title behind Federer and Nadal and having won all 4 Slams at least twice, with a more balanced Slam spread, plus having positive overall H2H records against the other two, it may become increasingly difficult to suggest that Djokovic is not the era's best for on court achievement.

The argument may then be more about whether he ends up the GOAT. Many might say an ugly GOAT but the GOAT nevertheless.

Rabid fans of Fed and Nadal will always back their man but the more average and saner fan will likely view Djoko as the GOAT yes. I would rather either the other two be the GOAT but it is what it is

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Yeah, I tend to agree with both the analysis and the emotions on this - but as said, it is what it is!!

indiana · Tennis legend

Daniil Medvedev wins the Mallorca 250 grass court title ( Djokovic and partner gave a w/o in the doubles final ) to again in theory have a chance to be WR 1, this time post Wimbledon.

If Medvedev reaches the Wimbledon final and Djokovic doesn't then Medvedev would go WR 1. To stop that Djokovic would have to be the other finalist and win the final.

'Just' reaching the final would take them to :
Medvedev : 10280 - 90 + 1200 = 11390 points
Djokovic : 12113 - 2000 + 1200 = 11313 points
And the final winner would then be champion and WR 1

If Medvedev doesn't reach the final Djokovic would remain WR 1 whatever since he will at least carry forward 1000 Wimbledon points ( 50% of his 2019 Wimbledon points )

Unlikely again but Medvedev rather surprised on RG clay and has better overall form on grass than his previous clay form.

In this year's ATP race, Djokovic is challenged by Tsitsipas.

1. Djokovic 5170
2. Tsitsipas 4560

(12. Norrie 1250, 23. Evans 875 )

indiana · Tennis legend

So Medvedev exits at the Wimbledon L16 stage, again ending his theoretical chance of taking WR 1. The over 17 year hegemony of 4 players will continue for some tine yet.

While the asks ( at least finalist first at the French Open and then again at Wimbledon ) were always very likely to be too much, at least Medvedev has been better on ckay and grass this year and his post Wimbledon total points will rise to 10.370.

Djokovic will be somewhere from 11,113 ( with 50% of his 2019 title points ) to 12,113 ( if he wins the title again ).

1. Djokovic 11,113 / 11,313 / 12,113
2. Medvedev 10,370
3. Nadal 8,270
4. Tsitsipas 8,150
5. Zverev 7,475
6. Thiem 7,425