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TMH


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I doubt there are very many players - if any - in the men's game who have got to #1 without winning a slam, but there must be several who have won slams but never made #1. Wawrinka, Cilic, Del Potro and Ivanisevic are ones that immediately spring to mind.



-- Edited by TMH on Thursday 10th of November 2016 06:50:02 PM

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I think Marcelo Rios is the only male player who's made it to number one without winning a Slam.



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TMH


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Well there you go then. smile



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Andy getting to WR 1 and indeed holding it for the year-end after this O2 business is all very annoying, because I spent quite a bit of time with my 'Race to Miami' calculations and updates ready for a possible assault on #1 NEXT year. And let's not mention mucking up my year's predictions

But anyway, here is the latest :

1. Andy Murray : 12685
2. Novak Djokovic : 11780
3. Milos Raonic : 5450

Andy will drop 275 points after this year's Davis Cup Final, but will just about hold on to #1 And Novak has an Australian Open title to defend ( can Andy have that too, please ? ) and much more in the first half of 2017.

Andy Murray

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Congratulations Andy :D :D :D

And, apropos Born2WinTennis' list, with 6 weeks of close season now he'll have passed Kafelnikov, Muster and Rios by the time Doha comes around :D

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vohor wrote:

Congratulations Andy :D :D :D

And, apropos Born2WinTennis' list, with 6 weeks of close season now he'll have passed Kafelnikov, Muster and Rios by the time Doha comes around :D

 Yes, enjoy totting up the weeks, Andy

Got to think that he now threatens everyone up to and including Wilander's 20 weeks. And that would put him in the top 15. But that's fine for now !



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In terms of getting any practical advantage via seeding, there is no difference that I can see between being number 1 or number 2 in the rankings. Both get one half of the draw at all the biggest tournaments.

Whichever of them is top, it now looks like Andy and Nole will be the top 2 seeds for at least the next 6 months. Raonic @number 3 has less than half the points of Nole @number 2. It will be a very long time until Andy plays Nole in any match other than a final.

The draw for the Oz Open could be very interesting. One of them could get either Fed or Rafa in the R16. If Rog drops a spot to number 17, he could even be a R32 opponent for one of the top 2.

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Looking up the AO site, there appear to be 32 seeds, so if Fed and Del Potro are ranked 17 - 32 they won't meet other seeds for at least 2 rounds I think.



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Yes, 32 seeds so seeds kept apart until R3 / last 32. As said, no practical seeding advantage to being seeded 1 against 2. They just have their 'own' halves, but same draw possibilities.

In the last 32 seeds 1 to 8 are bracketed against seeds 25 to 32 and seeds 9 to 16 against seeds 17 to 24. Roger certainly won't be lower than seed 24 ( will still be close to the top 16 at worst ) so the top 8 seeds can't meet him in the last 32.

Similarly, in the last 16 seeds 1 to 4 are bracketed against seeds 13 to 16 and seeds 5 to 8 against seeds 9 to 12. Rafa won't be lower than seed 12 so the top 4 seeds can't meet him in the last I6.

In the last 8 seeds 1 to 4 are simply bracketed against seeds 5 to 8.

Del Potro stands out as the possible early danger. As things stand he would be unseeded therefore could be met anytime. If he gets good early points ( and that probably means win a week one ATP 250 ) then he could make the 32 seeds, but as a 25 to 32 seed he would be bracketed against a top 1 to 8 seed for R3.



-- Edited by indiana on Monday 21st of November 2016 01:11:14 PM

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vohor wrote:

Congratulations Andy :D :D :D

And, apropos Born2WinTennis' list, with 6 weeks of close season now he'll have passed Kafelnikov, Muster and Rios by the time Doha comes around :D

 Novak won Doha last year so he can't gain any points in wk 1 2017. Assuming he doesn't compete in Sydney then Andy is safe at no. 1 until end of January so he will be up-to about 12 weeks - level with a certain B. Becker.biggrin



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Don't have time to translate, but if you read Spanish (or have Google translate!) there's a rather fascinating article bringing together Alex Corretja, Dani Vallverdu, and Emilio Sanchez-Vicario to talk about AM and what it means for him to be number one: www.elespanol.com/deportes/tenis/20161119/171983139_0.html

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Djkovic is clearly in a heck of a sulk. This morning, a user called 'nole004' was advertising kitchen furniture on this board. Really, he should just get over being demoted to WR2, and he should be better than to be spamming Andy's thread in a very petty act of revenge ;)

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wimdledont wrote:

Djkovic is clearly in a heck of a sulk. This morning, a user called 'nole004' was advertising kitchen furniture on this board. Really, he should just get over being demoted to WR2, and he should be better than to be spamming Andy's thread in a very petty act of revenge ;)

Have Kei and Milos overtaken him in the rankings as well confuse



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