Battle for the top

Mikeduke · County player

Battle for the top three

steven · Tennis legend

Updated to 20 April:

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Simmy26 · Lower Club Player

I was just trying to work this out going by the ATP website. Both Fed and Djokovic have a huge number of points to come off before the French (Nole - 2050 and Fed - 1650) while Andy only has 370 to come off. There is no doubt in my mind that Andy will be number three by the Fench but also it is possible that he could be No 2.

steven · Tennis legend

Yes, he's more likely than not to overtake Nole before RG, and another week like last week (bad for Fed, good for Muzza) in one of the remaining clay masters might just see him edge ahead of Fed before RG - you can see quite how close it is from the graph above.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

could Murray be no2 seed at wimby? or maybe would be be no2 ranked but not seeded due to the seeding equation they use (which i assume Fed still basically owns). would be funny we finally get a top seed and he gets knocked backwards by the system designed to help tim.

steven · Tennis legend

Exactly. LOL

Maybe they should stop using the formula this year and use as their reasoning the fact that Rafa winning Wimby last year proves that there are no longer significant differences between the surfaces for the top players. Sounds reasonable to me wink

-- Edited by steven on Monday 20th of April 2009 01:38:15 PM

angry1 · Lower Club Player

steven wrote:

Exactly. LOL

Maybe they should stop using the formula this year and use as their reasoning the fact that Rafa winning Wimby last year proves that there are no longer significant differences between the surfaces for the top players. Sounds reasonable to me

-- Edited by steven on Monday 20th of April 2009 01:38:15 PM

Surely if Murray looks like being no2 then You,Drew and anyone else who wants to help could draft a statement and send it to the committee.Use phrases like homogenization of surfaces and tweak the numbers to show it's unnecesary and you'll make a huge impact biggrin

Count Zero · Tennis legend

got to be careful, don't want it sound like you are calling them a bunch of Homogenizers.

angry1 · Lower Club Player

Count Zero wrote:

got to be careful, don't want it sound like you are calling them a bunch of Homogenizers.

Not that there's anything wrong with that smile

Ben W · Social player

The is an article on the ATP website on the battle for number 2 in the atp rankings some of it has already been discussed on here, but a nice article nevertheless.
link

-- Edited by Ben W on Monday 27th of April 2009 09:58:08 AM

-- Edited by Ben W on Monday 27th of April 2009 09:58:51 AM

angry1 · Lower Club Player

angry1 wrote:

steven wrote:

Exactly. LOL

Maybe they should stop using the formula this year and use as their reasoning the fact that Rafa winning Wimby last year proves that there are no longer significant differences between the surfaces for the top players. Sounds reasonable to me

-- Edited by steven on Monday 20th of April 2009 01:38:15 PM

Surely if Murray looks like being no2 then You,Drew and anyone else who wants to help could draft a statement and send it to the committee.Use phrases like homogenization of surfaces and tweak the numbers to show it's unnecesary and you'll make a huge impact

Sorry to quote myself,but look at the pseudo-scientific phrase used by the quoted author-

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=142661

"A cynical reader of the facts could say the homogenization of surfaces has returned."

See mock pomposity is obviously my strong suit,not unwarranted agression after all.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Federer

I was relying on you. . .

Rafa, I am now relying on you. (Assuming he gets to the final.) Beat Djokovic!

GavinUK · Lower Club Player

I believe Djokovic has entered the new ATP 250 tournament in Belgrade next which I think he stands a very good chance of winning. So I that means even if he looses to Nadal tomorrow, he can still stay ahead of Murray, just, by a tiny 20 points. Assumes he wins in Belgrade of course. This assumes I've done my sums right, which I probably haven't. What do the great ranking gurus think?

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

I suspect you haven't. . . Have you remembered to take into account that, even if Nole wins Belgrade, he can only gain 160 points? If he does, he has to drop his 18th score of 90.

GavinUK · Lower Club Player

You're quite right, I forgot to take off the 90 points. I'm always forgetting they can't count all their points. This is clearly why I should leave such things to others. :) Though Andy's new number 3 place will be short lived if he can't put in a much better showing in Madrid than he did in Rome. (unless I still have my sums wrong)