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RE: Battle for the top three


So points will not be awarded for dead rubbers.  I presume that's to stop any dodginess, can't trust these tennis players you  know !

OK, say Spain were playing GB  (yes, we've somehow got into the World Group ).

So Andy plays well and beats say Ferrer in his first match, Bogo or whoever by some chance loses to Nadal.

Then Spain win the doubles.

Rafa has a zillion points at the top of the rankings so he hardly needs any more ( in fact may already have a pretty full compliment from optionals ), and is a bit tired anyway, but Ferrer might appreciate some relative freebies.

So Nadal err loses to Andy ( or even doesn't play so someone else loses ), and then Ferrer beats Bogo.

Spain are through as expected, Nadal has had a little rest, Andy's quite happy,  Bogo gets to play a live match, and Ferrer gets some points from the match.  Everyone is happy  smile

Cynical, moi ?

-- Edited by indiana at 01:22, 2008-10-21

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Not only have we got into the world group, but we appear to have got into the world group with Boggo. Brilliant. I knew he'd come good. Shame about the Nadal and Ferrer matches but I reckon he's got their games worked out for next time.

-- Edited by The Hoose at 09:16, 2008-10-21

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I've tried to work out what people would have scored from this year's DC.

I get this (obviously the final isn't included) ...

David NALBANDIAN (ARG) 250
Andy RODDICK (USA) 180
Rafael NADAL (ESP) 170
Nikolay DAVYDENKO (RUS) 155
Radek STEPANEK (CZE) 105
David FERRER (ESP) 105
James BLAKE (USA) 105
Thomas JOHANSSON (SWE) 90
Philipp KOHLSCHREIBER (GER) 90
Marat SAFIN (RUS) 80
Juan Martin DEL POTRO (ARG) 80
Hyung-Taik LEE (KOR) 65
Dudi SELA (ISR) 55
Tomas BERDYCH (CZE) 50
Jonas BJORKMAN (SWE) 50
Robin SODERLING (SWE) 50
Mikhail YOUZHNY (RUS) 40
Agustin CALLERI (ARG) 40
Nicolas ALMAGRO (ESP) 40
Tommy ROBREDO (ESP) 40
Richard GASQUET (FRA) 40
Jo-Wilfried TSONGA (FRA) 40
Victor HANESCU (ROU) 25
Igor ANDREEV (RUS) 20
Fernando GONZALEZ (CHI) 15
Novak DJOKOVIC (SRB) 15
Andy MURRAY (GBR) 15
Jurgen MELZER (AUT) 15
Ivo KARLOVIC (CRO) 15
Nenad ZIMONJIC (SRB) 10
Viktor TROICKI (SRB) 10
Kristof VLIEGEN (BEL) 10
Steve DARCIS (BEL) 10
Jose ACASUSO (ARG) 10
Jamie BAKER (GBR) 10
Alex BOGDANOVIC (GBR) 10
Harel LEVY (ISR) 10
Florian MAYER (GER) 10
Nicolas KIEFER (GER) 10
Jae-Sung AN (KOR) 10
Matias SILVA (PER) 10
Ivan MIRANDA (PER) 10
Paul-Henri MATHIEU (FRA) 10
Michael LLODRA (FRA) 10
Andrei PAVEL (ROU) 10
Sam QUERREY (USA) 10
Stefan KOUBEK (AUT) 10
Nicolas MASSU (CHI) 5
Jesse HUTA GALUNG (NED) 5
Thiemo DE BAKKER (NED) 5
Janko TIPSAREVIC (SRB) 5
Luis HORNA (PER) 5
Victor CRIVOI (ROU) 5
Alexander PEYA (AUT) 5
Stanislas WAWRINKA (SUI) 5
Roger FEDERER (SUI) 5
Mario ANCIC (CRO) 5

Top ranked players with 0 : Simon, Monfils, Cilic, Tursunov, Verdasco, Fish

Think it mostly proves it'll make little difference compared to the regular points.

Grand Slam: 2000 (Winner), 1200 (Runner-up), 720 (SF), 360 (QF)
Masters 1000: 1000 (Winner), 600 (Runner-up) 360 (SF), 180 (QF)
ATP 500: 500 (Winner), 300 (Runner-up), 180 (SF), 90 (QF)
ATP 250: 250 (Winner), 150 (Runner-up), 90 (SF), 45 (QF)



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Very interesting. Doesn't seem worth arguing about when you put it like that.

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The Hoose wrote:

Very interesting. Doesn't seem worth arguing about when you put it like that.



Thta's what I was thinking.

And as Steven said earlier the players who will be least bothered are the very top players, the players that errr they say this is partly designed to entice to play Davis Cup. hmm..

It's stll essentially unfair to those for whateber reason don't get a chance at all or less chance.

And I am assuming next year's points will count to the race 2010 ( has this been clarified ? ) as I assume they want this to count to the race and it would appear being a one off addition it will have to count to the following year's race.

So, if next year is like this year and say Nalbandian and Del Potro end up in a wininng Davis Cup Team so also get however many more points it is again, say that turned out to be the difference between making and not making the Masters Cup.

I guess it wouldn't come down to that, but just saying...

Then agian, mabe it doesn't count to the race. Someone please rescue the particular fag packet that this bit of the new equation has been thought up on, the answers should be there.

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As the top 4 graph now shows (see the stats link in my signature), Nole winning the title in Dubai means that suddenly he is closer to Fed again than Andy is to him.

They are now over 2000 points apart. Nole has masses of points to come off in the next 3 weeks, but the only way Andy can now overtake him by the end of Indian Wells is if he wins the title there and Nole goes out in R1.

In the unlikely event that both those things happen, they would be dead level on points, but Andy would edge the tiebreak, which is based on total points from slams, Shanghai and Masters combined.


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According to the BBC, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/default.stm Andy is undergoing still more tests to determine the extent of his viral illness, and it is in doubt whether he will be fit for Indian Wells. cry

Dammit Djoker, who calls the trainer more than anybody else on tour I'm sure, is the only one of the top 4 not injured or ill at the moment.

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Madeline wrote:

According to the BBC, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/default.stm Andy is undergoing still more tests to determine the extent of his viral illness, and it is in doubt whether he will be fit for Indian Wells. cry

Dammit Djoker, who calls the trainer more than anybody else on tour I'm sure, is the only one of the top 4 not injured or ill at the moment.



It's amazing how Djokovic never appears to be properly injured - maybe his constant attention from the trainer stops him getting injured.

And his last three titles (Rome, TMC, Dubai) came partly as a result of him being the last man standing following several injuries and illnesses to everyone else - so whatever we can say about him, he does appear to capitalise when he gets the chance to.

 



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So we know that Murray beating Federer in the Final is the only way of Murray getting to Number 3 this week.

If he does make it, it will probably be short-lived as the week after they lose their 18th best scores to be replaced with Monte-Carlo (Andy loses 250, Djoko 90).

Of course the week after they get them back!


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lol you can just see the Media (who have no idea how the rankings really work) reacting:

Murray Mint up to 3!!

next week:

Murray Mouse down to 4

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Looks like it won't be this week

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Definitely won't be this week cry.  Djoker into the final.

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I find it surprising that people actually care whether Andy is 3 or 4. It makes no difference at all in terms of seeding as long as both Federer and Nadal play the top tournaments and we all know he won't stay at 4 forever, it is a case of when not if he gets there. I would rather he concentrated on winning tournaments than looking to make slight changes in his ranking (though of the course the two go hand in hand).

I would rather he played Djoker in the final, if he beats JMDP tonight, as they haven't played in a while (Cincy final?) and would to see them rekindle their rivalry after months of the Andy v Rafa and Fed-ex rivalries being developed and not this one. Just makes a change.

-- Edited by wolf on Friday 3rd of April 2009 08:43:01 PM

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He would be the only Brit to get to #3 since the rankings began - that's why we are interested in it. Of course we know it doesn't make a blind bit of difference when it comes to seedings.

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But when we look back on Andy's career we will look at the amount of titles he won not whether he got got to #3 on the 6th April 2009 or the 6th May 2009 or whenever, or that he became the first ever British #3. We all know it's going to happen at some point and I'm not particulary fussed about when. #1 is worth the headlines, not #3. Take what Fed-ex said last year when Djokovic was on the verge of getting to #2, he said to him if he is not #1 it doesn't matter to him if he is ranked 2, 3, 4, 5 or wherever.

Of course if wanting to be #3 drives Andy on to win matches then for one I'm not complaining.

Don't feel pressure to respond by the way, clearly just certain records mean more to some than others.

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