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RE: Davis Cup - Euro Africa Zone I - GBR v Ukraine 6-8 March 2009


There's a lot of stuff in the press today about Andy not being keen on Greg playing in the DC team without proving himself, which is very old news, but one of the papers reports that Jamie B is out with a foot injury:cry 

"One of Lloyd's more favoured picks, Jamie Baker, is expected to miss out with a foot injury and could be replaced in the 'audition' by either Johnny Marray or Chris Eaton, who made a brief splash at Wimbledon last summer."

That'll be Jonny then, I assume - if he wants to subject himself to the DC curse just as he's scoring good ranking points.

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there's a certain British number 2 thats free wink.gif

shame for JB, but to be honest, i dont think DC is what he needs right now, he needs points.

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Maybe a chance that greg could prove himself in the play-off

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Chris eaton confirmed as bakers replacement - lta

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Not overly surprised to see Eaton named as the replacement, but it surely doesn't do a lot for Jonny Marray having reached a final last week and beaten Goodall, but is still not selected.

Eaton has hardly been in the best of form, and I'd suspect he'd struggle to beat any of the others in his current form, but probably has the popular backing after his Wimbledon run.



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Eaton will probably win it - like he did after getting in as an effective LL to the wimby Q's smile.gif

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LOL you're right - and remind me who beat him in the last round of Wimby pre-qualifying ... (a certain Mr Marray)

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I admit I did put in a word foir Chris a little while ago.  But I don't think his current form justifies it.  Indeed, I would have chosen Marray before him. 

But, also, surely this was a perfect opportunity to invite Rusedski.

He appears unhappy about his Davis Cup overtures being rejected for now and Andy had doubts ( so thus John Lloyd expressed doubts. err who runs the Davis Cup team ?  but anyway, moving on... )

Now this would have given Greg a chance to prove himself, or prohably not.  He could have no complaints at that.  And if he did actually prove himself by winning 3 matches then he would have proved he still had something to offer. Indeed, he would be much more reliable in terms of experience and temperament than anyone else if he only proved he had the game.

If he rejected the offer, then again he coiuld have no complaints.

Hmm, so why not ?   Am I missing something herre ?

-- Edited by indiana at 18:28, 2009-02-12

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It looks to me like John Lloyd is basically adopting the approach that he expects Andy to win his two singles and is backing Andy plus doubles partner to win the doubles against Ukraine.

This implies that they are writing off the second singles player unless they play out of their skins and going for a youth try-out policy for the number two player from a batch of hopefuls to see if they sink or swim in that environment.

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I agree with Indiana - and not only would it have helped to sort out the Greg issue, it would also have given the young players a chance to play against a player who's been near the top of the game and resulted in much increased media interest in the whole exercise, making the pressure just a tiny bit more like that in a real DC tie.

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MAC wrote:

It looks to me like John Lloyd is basically adopting the approach that he expects Andy to win his two singles and is backing Andy plus doubles partner to win the doubles against Ukraine.

This implies that they are writing off the second singles player unless they play out of their skins and going for a youth try-out policy for the number two player from a batch of hopefuls to see if they sink or swim in that environment.



And to be fair.... that's probably what is going to happen.

Can't see Andy losing either of his singles matches, and I'd be surprised if any of our players would beat Stakhovsky on day 1, and I'd suspect we would win the doubles as well.

And to be honest, we'd have a good chance in the 5th rubber as well as Marchenko isn't any better than our second player anyway.





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steven wrote:

I agree with Indiana - and not only would it have helped to sort out the Greg issue, it would also have given the young players a chance to play against a player who's been near the top of the game and resulted in much increased media interest in the whole exercise, making the pressure just a tiny bit more like that in a real DC tie.



Much as I see the merit of what both you and Indiana have said, I have to completely disagree with you. Having Greg in the play off would be the worst thing ever.

If Greg beat three of our current, young players, the headlines are "Brits can't even beat a retired guy" (OK, so I'm not going to get a career in headline writing). Moreover, picking an unranked player for a Davis Cup match, regardless of whether he was in a play off or not sends another set of negative messages to our ranked players, all of whom suffer enough criticism as it is.

Of course, if Greg lost all his matches, then these issues wouldn't be such a problem but there would still be the issue of the Davis Cup Captain choosing an unranked player above one who is ranked, and that, to my mind, sends all the wrong messages (ones that Lloyd is already sending) to our players.

And anyway, much as I loved Greg as a player, his role in the lta is supposed to be finding and nuturing new, young talent. His desire to play Davis Cup again becuase he believes he could do better than anyone else, isn't exactly nuturing to the players he's got under his wing. If he manages to get wildcards somewhere and to win matches and get back onto the rankings, I'll be the first to want him in the Davis Cup, but he has to prove he can do it first.



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Ah, Bloomers qualifies in Marseille.

So, let's get this right.  This Davis Cup farce ( I mean selection process ) is now missing the British No 2 ( Bogdanovic ), the most recently successful / in form players ( Bloomfield and Marray ) and the other most experienced / past  successful player available  ( Rusedski ).

I know that there are pros and cons re these players, but with GB's lack of resources that's quite a selection ! 

I guess Lloyd will claim he's given a gee-up to some of these that he didn't pick for this farce ( sorry I can't hep it  wink.gif )  / selection process.l



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i certainly agree that not allowing bloomers a go at the play off was unfair. I can understand the reasoning behind boggo, its obvious he is the next best player at the moment, and would probably win it, but through various reasons hasn't pulled it off on a big stage which must be taken into account.

However Bloomers has never been given a chance at DC, and as MJD has pointed out has always done his best to make himself available if needed. His game suits the court type, and ok maybe he had a slow start to the year but he ended 08 great (i think) so maybe was not feeling 100%

Hopefully bloomers will pick up a decent amount of points over the next week, and combined with boggo beating Stak in Belgrade will be a big embarrassment to JL
Bloomers should also get a mention in the papers as he has made the MD :) who wil lsurely also point out he not allowed to take part in the DC tie

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Quite frankly I am happy for all the players not chosen, who have the opportunity to improve their ranking instead.

But then I never have been all that keen on DC. Except that it gives me a chance to watch tennis on TV, as I can only watch on BBC!

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