Weeks 35-36 - US Open Mixed Doubles

Andymonium · Satellite level

RE: Weeks 35-36 - US Open Mixed Doubles

ForeverDelayed · Grand Slam Champion

Well done to them for reaching the final, and it would be great to see Jamie win another Grand Slam, even if it is in Mixed Doubles.

Difficult match to call, but I'd think they'd have a decent chance but wouldn't be the favourites to win this.

Spectator · All-time great

Neil Harman commented in this morning's Times that "Jamie must be the top-ranked mixed doubles player out there at the moment."

This triggered my curiosity. In the presence of such master statisticians as Steven and Akhenaten (and others), I feel slightly awkward saying anything remotely statistics-related, but if you do a very baby-ish compilation of results for 2008's four Grand Slams (6 for a win, 5 for a finalist, 4 for semis, etc, with Wimbledon first round at .5 and others at 1), I think that Jamie is indeed at present tied with Zimonjic for first place, with the possibility of being sole "#1" if he and Huber win. This way of doing things obviously skews things in favour of consistent play -- arguably Bob Bryan, who played only two Slams but won them both, might in fact be worth considering as a number one mixed doubles player -- but it's nice nonetheless!

Silver · County player

Now all Jamie needs to do is pick out why he's not having the results in the men's doubles whereas in the mixed, he's rather good.

Excellent stuff from Jamie though :) How does he get to pick such good mixed partners though :P The lucky bugger ;)

ForeverDelayed · Grand Slam Champion

I think Murray's success in Mixed Doubles may be more down to his partner than him - Huber's the number 1 in the world (and probably the best ladies doubles player), so it's natural that he'd be doing well given the quality of his partner.

And when he won Wimbledon, it was mainly down to Jankovic playing some of the best tennis she's played.

Case in point would be this years Wimbledon semi's, where it was Murray who looked the weak link in the team, and if he'd played better, they'd have made the final.

Maybe the fact Mixed Doubles isn't such a serious event helps him, or there isn't as much pressure on him, but he'd trade 2 Slam finals in Mixed for Men's anyday I'm sure.

Happycynic · Pro player

Spectator wrote:

Neil Harman commented in this morning's Times that "Jamie must be the top-ranked mixed doubles player out there at the moment."

This triggered my curiosity. In the presence of such master statisticians as Steven and Akhenaten (and others), I feel slightly awkward saying anything remotely statistics-related, but if you do a very baby-ish compilation of results for 2008's four Grand Slams (6 for a win, 5 for a finalist, 4 for semis, etc, with Wimbledon first round at .5 and others at 1), I think that Jamie is indeed at present tied with Zimonjic for first place, with the possibility of being sole "#1" if he and Huber win. This way of doing things obviously skews things in favour of consistent play -- arguably Bob Bryan, who played only two Slams but won them both, might in fact be worth considering as a number one mixed doubles player -- but it's nice nonetheless!

Statistical nerd hat here. I would generally go with ranking schemes with increasing rewards for winning the next round, to reflect that later matches are against tougher opponents. The 10K futures 0 (R1) 1 (R2) 2 (QF) 4 (SF) 8 (F) 12 (W) would be an example. This scheme would favour double winner Bob B as number 1.

For some reason, whilst almost universally accepted, the WTA fails to do this at GS's. Qualies goes 2 15 25 32 (so a Q1 win at 13 points is worth most, followed by R2 at 10 and R3 at 7), MD goes 2 60 90 (so R1 win=>58 points and R2 win 30). This is all the more dotty when you consider R1 wins can be against particularly weak WCs.

-- Edited by Happycynic at 19:05, 2008-09-03

Spectator · All-time great

Many thanks for that! I recalculated using a rough variant of the 10K system: this changed the top four from Murray, Zimonjic (tied 1st) Bob Bryan, Bhupathi (tied 2nd) to (1) Bryan (2) Zimonjic (3) Murray (4) Bhupathi. Either way, Mr Murray's accomplishments are quite impressive.

Happycynic · Pro player

Cool. I'd go with that.

Is there any particular skill that makes a mixed doubs player, above standard doubles skills?

ForeverDelayed · Grand Slam Champion

2nd on Ashe, not before 1730 UK time.

helki · Futures qualifying

The final has started. smile

murrayman650 · ATP level

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mjd · Challenger qualifying

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briteny · Intermediate Club Player

anyone know how much you get from winning mixed doubles?

mjd · Challenger qualifying

briteny wrote:

anyone know how much you get from winning mixed doubles?

The winners get $150,000, Runners-Up $70,000
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By the way
Singles, Prize Money is $1,400,000 to winners, $700,000 to Runners-Up, $300,000 to Semifinalists