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mjd


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Once again Tim Henman criticises British players


Once again Tim Henman criticises British players. (No change there then! and yet when he needs a bit of cash sometime in the future he hopes to jopin the LTA)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article4150714.ece

Quoting 'The poor Serbs' Ivanovic (Sponsored by a Swiss multimillionaire from an early age to the tune of 1/2m), Djokovic (Businessman Father provided two tennis courts for him)
and Jankovic (Introduced to tennis at age nine-and-a-half by older brother and fitness coach, Marko, Student of a Megatrend university in Belgrade - Father, Veselin, and mother, Snezana, are economists)
Do these all sound like for instance James Ward whose cabby father worked double shifts to fund his tennis in Spain, others are not even that fortunate.

Andy also 'had a go' as well this evening  on BBC One Show.

These people who criticise are so out of touch with reality , It doesnt only take determination to play tennis in the UK - For example to use facilities in Roehampton firstly you have to get there costing anything up to £100 by rail, then you have to eat and drink and find and pay for acommodation in spite of what the LTA would have you believe. I doubt very much that this would have presented a problem to Tim or Andy.

I personally don't know many players but those I do know make every effort they can and (with family support - not LTA) travel the world trying to improve their tennis  to the best of their ability and maybe this is the limiting factor not effort.
They have to play in the hopes of winning a few £ in order to survive and get to the next tournament.
I suspect others with real talent, just like the Serbs have no local facilities or prohibitive court fees. It just annoys me so much when the likes of Tim, Andy and Rog who live in a parallel world 'spout off' about the attitude of British players.

I hope that Tim Henman never suceeds in 'milking the LTA' to work with those that he persists in critcising, at least Greg seems to have an understanding of what really goes on. I expect that is because he mixes and talks to the players and not just the top 2 or 3.





-- Edited by mjd at 23:56, 2008-06-16

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Frankly i wont ever listen to Tim or Andy on the matter.

Tim can hardly talk about other british players and funding with the background he came from. I don't think he has any right to judge other people.

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Greg Rusedski is the only one of those involved in the BBC team who actually has a clue about what goes on, and so comments from him I listen to when he talks about the players, but Muzza, anyone at the LTA, Sue Barker and co, and now Henman are CLUELESS as to how the system works.

You often hear the story about how Djokovic rose from nowhere and only showed an interest in tennis when some tennis courts where opened across the road from the pizza resturant.... but I've yet to see anyone make the OBVIOUS LINK BETWEEN HAVING A SET OF FREE TENNIS COURTS OPPOSITE HIS HOUSE, AND BEING A WORLD CLASS PLAYER.

Surely it's not rocket-science to think that being able to practice for nothing at all hours may have helped him?

And then we take the British system - earlier today I was playing tennis with my dad on some hard courts, which you have to pay a small fee to use... but we'd much rather have played on the grass courts that lie next to it.

But why couldn't we play on the grass? Because he happens to work full-time and so is unable to get home before 5pm, when they happen to close them down for the evening! So at the time when people are most likely to want to play tennis, the courts aren't actually open (and condition of the court can't be a problem as they look perfect)

And then we have the Exmouth Indoor Tennis Centre - great facilities, but even with a discount, it costs me £15 to hire the courts for an hour.

So how exactly are we supposed to develop tennis players when you have to pay a ridiculous fee in order to play on them? Do you think that someone wanted to get their children into a sport is going to choose tennis, when it's costs that much to let them play? Or are they going to buy them a cheap fair of football boots and send them to a team where they may have to pay £2 for a 2 hour session?

And then there are the amount of courts in the country - or I should say the lack of courts.

Where I live, there is a town of 17,000 people, supported by a village of 2,000 people... so for those 19,000 people there are... 7 hard courts, and 4 grass courts, but 2 of those belong to a private club (that only has a ladies doubles team!) and 2 aren't open at a time when anyone can use them!

It's all a question of money, and if you don't have it, then you simply won't succeed. All the best juniors I know at Exmouth happen to have 1 thing in common, that being they belong to rich families.

The best junior? His dad owns the biggest nightclub in the town and is a millionaire.

The next best? Same thing, the family has a lot of money.

And where do they go school? Oh yeah, private schools.

And that's fine for them, but I can't recall a single player from a poor background actually being that good, or staying for long enough to become good because they cannot afford to play tennis.

Transfer that to the senior level, and then you have a real problem.

Let's take an example of the Belarussian futures this week - a 15K event with a cut of 1134, which sounds like a perfect event to play in given that it's weak and a good chance of points. It's costs £249 to fly there and back, plus I'd imagine at least £25 a night accomodation, plus the £15 qualifying sign in, plus £30 doubles entry, plus meals, plus expenses.... and it soons adds up to £400/500/600 for the trip.

Do that 3 or 4 times a year, maybe without much success and you're looking at £2,000/3,000 of expenses paid out.... now how are you supposed to pay for that as a player if you haven't got any money to get to these locations in the first place?

You can't play in this country because there aren't any futures events to play in, so you have to go into debt to play abroad, ONLY TO BE CRITICISED FOR NOT USING THE NTC!!!

Without funding, it's impossible to make a decent living as a player, unless you are successful.

And yet... the LTA doesn't seem to recognise this fact, and instead spend all their money on a tennis centre, which is lovely, but neglect the fact that it will only be used by the juniors as the pro's are always abroad.

The LTA is clueless, we all know that, but when the likes of Henman and Murray say things like this, then it just makes you wonder what planet they are on. They've played at Futures events... surely at some point they must have picked up a vibe from someone that they are struggling for money.

And unless it becomes a lot cheaper and there are more tennis courts to use in this country, you'll never get enough players picking up a racquet, and unless they do so, you aren't going to get the talent coming through

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What an absolutely excellent analysis, Daniel! I'm in 100% agreement.

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Brilliant analysis, good to see it backed up with so many concrete examples.

It's funny what you say about Greg being a bit more in touch - I haven't been watching tennis on TV very much this week, but I've noticed that most of AM.com and Centre Court seem to think Greg is the worst commentator on TV apart, of course, from Andrew "my mirror is my best friend" Castle.

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There is also the pressure of the parent, the kid feels under pressure to perform because of all the money spent on his/her tennis. In the end they could just end up hating tennis and quitting altogether. The 'win at all costs' mentality of some parents is just unbelievable sometimes. I have heard stories of parents literally shouting at their kid for losing a match.

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Well put Foreverdelayed, that was what I was trying to say but I was only repeating what I have learned, whereas you are expressing personal experience. Unfortunately no one will ever listen - they will continue to build their own little empire at Roehampton and say "We have the best facilities and the best coaches in the world" but what good is that to any 'undiscovered natural talent?
Perhaps Roger Draper should try traveling economy on a restricted budget and living in a £25/night room (Rather cheaper than I expected!) and finding a 'sportsmans meal' on a couple of quid a day, you have to be pretty dedicated to persevere with that.
I know that locally the tennis centre and gym was closed last year although a new one is being built several miles out of town, immediately restricting the number and type of players able to get there.

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ForeverDelayed wrote:


Let's take an example of the Belarussian futures this week - a 15K event with a cut of 1134, which sounds like a perfect event to play in given that it's weak and a good chance of points. It's costs £249 to fly there and back, plus I'd imagine at least £25 a night accomodation, plus the £15 qualifying sign in, plus £30 doubles entry, plus meals, plus expenses.... and it soons adds up to £400/500/600 for the trip.

Do that 3 or 4 times a year, maybe without much success and you're looking at £2,000/3,000 of expenses paid out.... now how are you supposed to pay for that as a player if you haven't got any money to get to these locations in the first place?



And yet the LTA have no qualms of handing 6 Wimby wild cards to overseas players  worth £10,250 each that could fund British players for these overseas endeavours for quite a while. They may well lose but at least they get the money and I'd rather this and the post mortem of them losing than just give money away.furiousfuriousfuriousfurious



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steven wrote:

Brilliant analysis, good to see it backed up with so many concrete examples.

It's funny what you say about Greg being a bit more in touch - I haven't been watching tennis on TV very much this week, but I've noticed that most of AM.com and Centre Court seem to think Greg is the worst commentator on TV apart, of course, from Andrew "my mirror is my best friend" Castle.



There's a difference between being in touch with the game as being able to commentate on it though.

Rusedski's still learning how to be an effective commentator, but does give some insight into why players do certain things on the court.

To be honest, I didn't think Castle had a bad week at Queens, and he was certainly better than he has been in the past, so it's good to see some improvement in the commentary



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If anyone is interested Henman is about to speak to Simon Mayo on 5 live

accepting questions Mayo@bbc.co,uk

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Smidster wrote:

If anyone is interested Henman is about to speak to Simon Mayo on 5 live

accepting questions Mayo@bbc.co,uk



Thanks.

He didn't say a lot of much note though, basically repeating what has been said about Nadal/Djokovic/Federer, and didn't really give an answer when asked about McEnroe's comments that Murray needs to work on his fitness.

It was a blatant plug for his work with Robinson's as well, and the only listener question was about the lack of serve/volleyers in the same.

No mention of his controversial comments on British tennis though.... no surprise there



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