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RE: Week 25 - Wimbledon Qualifying ** QR3 starts P11 - 2 Brits still in **


The men get 15 points for qualifying + all R1 losers get 5 points unless they are WCs. Thus Lee Childs got 20 last year too.

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Article now on the Wimbledon site, including comments from Eaton. http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2008-06-19/200806191213917139640.html

Is that really the reporter's name?

-- Edited by The Hoose at 17:34, 2008-06-19

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Chris has some points from last year's quallies to come off so will get -4 points to whatevcer he gets. Fantastic result for Chris here though, just got in and seen result. Gutted for Rich as he put up a real fight. Have to keep fingers crossed as no doubt some Spaniards will drop out, and hopefully Stepanek to.

What is ironic is Chris shouldnt of even been in qualifying as he lost in the semis of the Wild Card playoff. Great to see though

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Anyway, I've been stuck on endless phone calls since the matches ended cry but what a result from Chris. biggrin As were saying before, he's been playing way above his ranking this grass court season without any real reward, but he's certainly got his reward for this run!

Interestingly (since you won't be big-headed enough to tell you this herself) Bethan told me after a tournament she went to last year that she was more impressed with Chris than with Wardy, though clearly those two have quite different court preferences.

Before we get too excited, what usually happens when a Brit qualifies for a slam is that they get a 12 month ranking boost from it but don't really push on, then they have these 20 points to come off hanging over their heads like a guillotine a year later. Indeed Lee Childs, our only qualifier last year, didn't even last the rest of the year before he retired!

However, it doesn't have to be that way - Chris is younger than our other recent Wimbledon qualifiers have been and he's now going to get more DAs/higher seedings in Futures. As I said earlier, after Wimby, he will only have three points to come off in the next three months, so he has a real chance to move into the top 500 and beyond. His aim should be to be getting DAs to the lower level Challengers by this time next year, because at that level losing 20 points won't hurt so much.

As for Bloomers though, how sad was that outcome. cry I was amazed at how well he fought back from two sets down and it really looked like it was going to go his way once he got a break in the 4th and seemed to be well on top. If he had won, I think we'd be saying now that it was his best-ever win by a long way, given how much he had to fight and what was at stake, so it must have been devastating to lose, especially after having had a match point. Still, he has pretty much proved that he can survive five sets and that he never gives up!

Richard doesn't have a tendency to choke in the same way as some of the GB players do, so I kind of hope that Peya just aced him on the break points in the 5th so that this loss won't haunt him too much, because in reality he's had a really good grass court season.

I also hope that the doubles doesn't get delayed because of the weather at Wimby this year so that those involved either go deep into the draw or get to play in the Dublin Challenger.

-- Edited by steven at 17:30, 2008-06-19

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The Wimbledon article says:

"Coming off court, Bloomfield's disappointment was clear to see. It was a marked contrast to Eaton's jubilation, who said he was now determined "to just go out and have some fun and keep serving like that. What else can you do?"

... what a difference a couple of points make ...

The report says that Bloomers was outplaying Peya for most of the 5th too, which probably makes it hurt even more.

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What is ironic is Chris shouldnt of even been in qualifying as he lost in the semis of the Wild Card playoff. Great to see though


Well spotted. That's exactly why I think they should use as many Q and main draw WCs as they can, at least as far as we have players who have the grass court game to qualify and/or win a main draw match if they get a reasonable draw.

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Thoroughly, thoroughly impressed by Chris! If you'd asked me to put money on one of the two getting through, my money would have been on Bloomers in all honesty but this is why I don't bet!!! To use an Aussie term: "you little ripper!"

What are the chances any of this gets mentioned at all on the BBC on Monday?

And what are the chances Tim commentates if his match gets on TV?

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Well, on the principle that 'random chance' would produce 4 of 8 in R2, 2 of 8 in R3 and 1 of 8 qualifying, we have almost exactly fulfilled random chance from our 9 entrants.

What is so good is that, of course, all bar one of our players was a WC, and thus outranked. So getting someone through is great.

Congrats to Chris, may he enjoy his day in the sun (as if....), the 12 ranking points, and the nice cheque that is coming his way.

And I say also: next win = 35 points and an even bigger cheque, so just go for it.


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So Steven is Chris the lowest ranked player to Qualify for Wimbledon...or indeed any Grand Slam ?

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i doubt its any slam, i am sure at some point an UNR WC will have got through. maybe chris will be the lowest brit tho?

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Well done to Eaton. Three cracking wins and he truly deserves his place in the main draw. I hope he gets a decent first round draw as he has nothing to lose and can really go for it. Hopefully it'll be a low ranked clay courter who hates grass. Such a pity about Bloomfield as he had the match within his grasp in that last set. Really should have won.

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Peter too produced an interesting little table to show comparative improvements made by the British girls during 2008; I thought I would do something similar for the men. I'm swithering about where to post it - it's not sufficiently interesting to merit a thread of its own, so, since Peter's version is in the girls' Wimbledon qualifying thread, I think I'll post it here; the Mods can shift it somewhere else if they see fit, of course!

                   end 07     now        rise    % rise
Alexander Ward       -        963        889*     48*
Dan Smethurst        -       1152        700*     38*
Josh Goodall        374       266        108      29
Ken Skupski         709       528        181      26
Sean Thornley      1269       989        280      22
Neil Bamford        859       675        184      21
Dan Evans          1258       988        270      21
Matt Illingworth   1176       946        230      20
Josh Milton        1299      1034        265      20
Alex Slabinsky      408       329         79      17
James Ward          558       474         84      15
James Feaver       1001       853        148      15
Kyle Brassington   1386      1176        210      15
Tim Bradshaw         -       1591        261*     14*
Jonny Kinsella     1479      1338        141      10
David Rice         1238      1120        118      10
George Coupland      -       1686        166*      9*
Edward Seator       554       508         46       8
Marcus Willis      1127      1091         36       3
Andrew Fitzpatrick 1479      1441         38       3
Tim Hewitt         1001       983         18       2
Dan Cox             950       940         10       1
Gregory Howe       1299      1288         11       1

* indicates that, as the player was unranked at the end of last season, he doesn't have a 'real' starting point. In order to produce 'rise' and '% rise' figures, I've allotted a starting point of one place below the present lowest point, that is 1852.

It should also be noted that I did all the calculations in my head, including the percentages, so anyone who cares to check will undoubtedly find a myriad of errors; for them, I apologise in advance.


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Thanks DJ, that's interesting to see. This is one of the tables in my stats collection (see http://www.britishtennis.net/stats/mv-m.htm?n=1 ) but I haven't updated it since February - when I get around to converting the tables to make it easier to feed the rankings in each week, I should be able to update it on a regular basis.

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Worryingly, on the list of qualifiers at http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2008-06-19/200806191213879329546.html, it states:

LL - denotes 'Lucky Loser'.
Lucky losers are losers from the final round of qualifying competitions chosen in order of world rankings to fill any vacancy which occurs in the draw before the first round has been completed.

I'm sure that's only true for ATP events and that it changed to random for slams a couple of years ago, but I might be missing something because you'd think the Wimby referee's office would know the LL rules that apply to their own tournament, wouldn't you?


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Drew wrote:

So Steven is Chris the lowest ranked player to Qualify for Wimbledon...or indeed any Grand Slam ?


I'm working on it - this is not an easy one! LOL


-- Edited by steven at 19:51, 2008-06-19

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I know what the biggest GB upset at Wimbledon in the open era was because I remember reading about it in Alan Mills' book, and I've just found an archive article about it in the NY Times.

In 1991, Nick Brown, a WC ranked 591, beat Goran Ivanisevic (ranked 10 at the time) 4-6, 6-3, 7-6, 6-3, in R2, in what was called "the biggest upset at Wimbledon according to computer rankings since the men's tour began keeping such ratings in 1973."

The story (at http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CEED71539F933A05755C0A967958260) is great fun, and you can tell from it that the LTA/AELTC weren't stingy with the WCs back then! Nick eventually went out in R3 to Thierry Champion.

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Lucky losers

Ah, found the ITF grand slam rulebook.

The real lucky loser rule for grand slams is that the four highest-ranked FQR losers go into a random draw to prevent tanking, but once they are all in, any additional LL places are given to FQR losers in ranking order.

I fear that's the end of Bloomers' hopes for a LL place then. cry

Edit!

Scrap that - the Google search brought up the 2006 ITF grand slam rulebook. In the 2008 version at http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_30332_original.PDF it says that the LLs will be drawn at random from all FQR losers. smile

I just hope the Andrew Jarrett (the Wimbledon referee) knows this and wasn't responsible for what it says on the Wimbledon site!

Lowest-ranked slam qualifiers

I very much doubt that Chris is the lowest-ranked slam qualifier, but I've given up trying to find a counter-example - the way the slams publish their results makes it like looking for a needle in a haystack. cry

-- Edited by steven at 20:25, 2008-06-19

-- Edited by steven at 20:34, 2008-06-19

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can you email him and ask about it whilst subtely pointing out the answer?
some websites do put up tournament directors emails

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