Davis Cup - World Group Playoff - GBR v Austria - 19-21 September 2008

Count Zero · Tennis legend

RE: Davis Cup - World Group Playoff - GBR v Austria - 19-21 September 2008

wolf · Tennis legend

Count Zero wrote:

thats cheering.
who has lost the rubbers since then?
boggo, baker, parmer, mcglalan, mackin.....

Yes, except Maclagan never played a live singles rubber in that period, and plus Delgado and Martin Lee.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

didnt he lose to phillipoo in oz?

wolf · Tennis legend

No, that was Mackin.

Ratty · County player

That brings back that wonderfully dismissive comment by Federer after he had beaten Mackin 6-0 6-0 6-2 in Davis Cup 2005:

"It would have been a disaster if I'd lost," a relaxed Federer told BBC Sport.

"I don't remember the last time I played such a low-ranked player and it wasn't that difficult today.

scottie1 · Futures level

poor Alan was a lamb to the slaughter!

steven · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
Randon fact here: It was in 1997 the last time a British player won a live Davis Cup singles rubber apart from Murray, Henman and Rusedski.

Nobody seems to have said who it was yet unless I missed it - it was Andrew Richardson, who beat Byron Black, the only bright spot in an abject 4-1 home defeat to the Black brothers (also known as Zimbabwe) at Crystal Palace NSC.

In the 11 years since, half a dozen Brits not called Tigger, Grinner or Muzzer have lost 14 live singles rubbers between them:

- Del (1) lost to Byron Black later in the same tie in 1997
- Del (2) lost to Novak CZE in 2000
- Big Arv (1) lost to Giovanni Lapentti ECU in 2000
- Martin Lee (1) lost to Srichaphan THA in 2002
- Mackin (1) lost to Flip AUS in 2003
- Boggo (1) lost to Cmawwwn AUS in 2003
- Big Arv (2) lost to Gilles Muller LUX in 2004
- Boggo (2) lost to Okun ISR in 2005
- Mackin (2) lost to Fed SUI in 2005
- Big Arv (3) lost to Nole SRB in 2006
- Boggo (3) lost to Okun ISR in 2006
- Del (3) lost to Okun ISR in 2006
- Baker (1) lost to Numpty ARG in 2008
- Boggo (4) lost to Calleri ARG in 2008

Big Arv has got the closest out of all of them, taking both Lapentti and Muller to 5 sets.

Drew · Sep 4, 2008

I have just sorted out my travel plans for the Friday...

In summary...depart Crieff at 4am...

......car / plane / train / underground / legs.....arrive Wimby 10.30am. (6 and a half hours !)

I presume that the matches start at the usual time of...

11am Fri (So just in time to get my seat!)
1pm Sat
11am Sun

On the way back I have to chk in at Stansted prior to 9pm. Which means leaving Wimby at 6pm.

So I hope its all all over on the Sunday early pm when Murray beats Melzer to win the tie 3-1 !

murrayfan99 · Lower Club Player

Hadnt looked at this thread until now - but can't really believe this one

Imoen said
I'd say Hutchins deserves to be the doubles guy more than Jamie
Even the worst Murray hater would stop short of that one surely?

JAMIE WR 32 - HIGHLIGHTS 2008

Doubles
	ATP & Grand Slam	W: Delray Beach(w/Mirnyi) F: Nottingham(w/Coetzee), Estoril(w/Ullyett) SF: Vina del Mar(w/Lapentti), London / Queen's Club(w/Mirnyi), ATP Masters Series Indian Wells(w/Mirnyi)

ROSS WR 84 - HIGHLIGHTS 2008

Doubles
	Challenger	W: Segovia(w/Thomas) SF: Istanbul(w/Thomas)

Of course, we can't mention his mixed doubles success without emphasising how he was being carried by Huber (or Jankovic).

In the mens doubles he's had success with a variety of partners - I guess they were all carrying him and they would have had even more success with Ross or Josh?

Count Zero · Tennis legend

i think its a bit strong to call anyone on this board a murray hater!

murrayfan99 · Lower Club Player

Didnt actually call Imoen a murray hater - for all I know Imoen is a close relative of Hutchins which would explain everything. I'm just positing that such an extreme opinion (pick Ross ahead of Jamie) would be beyond even a regular Murray basher.

Robxon · Lower Club Player

The only reason to choose Jamie and Ross in the same team is if Andy is not going to play doubles. That may well be a late call depending on how tough his match is against Peya (?) and the state of the tie.

It was probably a good call to get Andy to play with Ross as insurance cover in case, for whatever reason Jamie does not play with Andy.

But surely there have been opportunities over the summer for Ross and Jamie to play together in what is likely to be a crucial doubles tie. They have not played together since that torrid match against Argentina which ended with them being on the wrong end of a Bagel!

If Andy should choose to play with Ross rather than Jamie, then goodness knows what tensions must exist between the brothers!

People may have leapt wrongly to the conclusion that Andy picked the team but one thing is certain he will decide the doubles pairing, either by crying off or choosing a partner.

scottie1 · Futures level

I agree with your post entirely but I cannot see Jamie and Ross pairing up at all. Too much rivalry over Doubles No 1. Jamie has come on no doubt about that. doubles is definitely his forte. What I find bewildering is his audacity to ask or want wild cards during the grass court season in singles without any ranking or form in singles. Seen him a few times in Edinburgh in singles too rushed with his shots!

Drew · Sep 6, 2008

Drew wrote:

I have just sorted out my travel plans for the Friday...

In summary...depart Crieff at 4am...

......car / plane / train / underground / legs.....arrive Wimby 10.30am. (6 and a half hours !)

I presume that the matches start at the usual time of...

11am Fri (So just in time to get my seat!)
1pm Sat
11am Sun

On the way back I have to chk in at Stansted prior to 9pm. Which means leaving Wimby at 6pm.

So I hope its all all over on the Sunday early pm when Murray beats Melzer to win the tie 3-1 !

After I wrote this post I realsied how stupid this was....leaving Friday AM to try and get to SW19 for 11am ???

Easyjet allow you to change flights...for £20. so I am now flying down Thursday night. Changed my 2 night £80 per night hotel (B&B) to a 3 night £35 per night B&B.

So even with my £20 to change my flight i am £35 better off.

The B&B is only 2 miles from Wimby and has free wifi.

Thats better !

imoen · Admin: Moderator+Tennis Legend

murrayfan99 wrote:

Hadnt looked at this thread until now - but can't really believe this one

Imoen said
I'd say Hutchins deserves to be the doubles guy more than Jamie
Even the worst Murray hater would stop short of that one surely?

JAMIE WR 32 - HIGHLIGHTS 2008
Doubles
ATP & Grand Slam W: Delray Beach(w/Mirnyi) F: Nottingham(w/Coetzee), Estoril(w/Ullyett) SF: Vina del Mar(w/Lapentti), London / Queen's Club(w/Mirnyi), ATP Masters Series Indian Wells(w/Mirnyi)

ROSS WR 84 - HIGHLIGHTS 2008
Doubles
Challenger W: Segovia(w/Thomas) SF: Istanbul(w/Thomas)

Of course, we can't mention his mixed doubles success without emphasising how he was being carried by Huber (or Jankovic).

In the mens doubles he's had success with a variety of partners - I guess they were all carrying him and they would have had even more success with Ross or Josh?

I wouldn't say that Jamie has been carried in any of his matches, and I'm certainly not a Murray hater, though I do realise you never accused me of being so, so I haven't taken any offence!

I'm not a close relative of Hutchins, however I would admit that I prefer him to Jamie Murray. Also, I always put the caveat of "in my opinion" I understand that different people will think different things and I'm prepared to be wrong. However...

The last time Andy and Jamie played doubles together (the Olympics so admittedly not like a normal tennis match) they hardly looked like a great pairing.

On the other hand, Andy and Hutchins played the US open together and managed to get to the 3rd round, and very nearly beat the top team in the world. Whereas Jamie Murray, playing with a former number1 and his established partner for the last year and in the 14th seed position, lost to a pair ranked 42 and 64 in the world.

Therefore, in my opinion Hutchins deserves to be chosen for the DC above Jaime Murray, despite the difference in ranking. Because, I put a lot of stock in current form, it is clear that Hutchins can play well with Murray and recently Jamie hasn't managed that (though I don't disput that they've won matches together in the past). Moreover, they both have a good record on grass, having even played each other in the Nottingham ATP final, and both have won at Wimbledon before with various partners, so they can both play on grass.

That is my justification for my comment, however i may be wrong and really its all opinion and hypothetical anyway as neither of us can ever prove the other wrong. If you want to take up the challenge of persuading me otherwise please do