Wimbledon WC's

Count Zero · Tennis legend

RE: Wimbledon WC's

supporting brits · Improver

thornley and milton instead of seator and pauffley would be my choice

-- Edited by supporting brits at 16:37, 2008-05-06

Yorkie · Lower Club Player

Greenleaf wrote:

Welcome to the forum, supporting brits. I like your choices.

Although I think Baker will be out for a while now?

Personally I don't think giving a main draw wild card to Cox or Evans will be a great idea. At the start of the year I would have agreed, but then I didn't know that their coaches would make them play Juniors this year. They probably would be around ATP 650 by now but I suppose losing early in pointless tourneys is real character building stuff.

They won't get much chance to show their form, either. This is their last men's tournament before Queen's qualies, I guess. Now they'll play two red clay Junior tourneys and miss Surbiton for that.

I'd give wild cards to -

Goodall
Marray
Slabinsky
Bloomfield
Kasiri
Marray
Boggo
Play off

And in qualies -

Skupski
Cox
Evo
Willis
Pauffley
Smethurst
Seator
Rice
Play off

You've given Wildcards to players that have lived off them (Boggo, Bloomers) and missed out a rising star in James Ward

for shame

wink

steven · Tennis legend

I imagine missing out Ward was an oversight on Greenleaf's part, but I'd still give WCs to Boggo and Bloomers since they're actually capable of beating reasonably good players on grass.

Salmon · Tennis legend

Oh, yes, one of the Marrays should be Ward.

Sorry!

Actually I'm not in favour of Boggo getting one, but there's no one else to give it to. And of course, he has a best chance of winning of a match amongst all Brits barring Andy.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

look how off topic this threasd got! naughty posters

whosevers fault that is should be banned!

back on topic so we know the 1st wc's have gone to Alex and Josh at Queens.
2 going to jonny forginhers, so that leaves 1 to give out.
Possibly to a brit who has a cracking run at surbs, possibly to Baker if fit (unlikey), or possibly to a high profile player who decides last min they want to play

i think the Queens decide directly how to give WC's so it may not have any bearing on who the other tournies give out to.

so left to decide is Surbs:3?, Nottingham:3, Wimby:8

i think there is a strong possibility that nottignham will give WC's to Josh and Alex as well. leaving the final one late to see if there are any last min big names wanted in. If you play Nottigham it means you may miss Wimby qualies tho doesn it? so you basicaly need a wimby WC too.

As for Wimby we have been told that the lta have said you need to be top 250, at the moment i think only alex and jamie will make that, but that doesnt neccesarily mean they will get WC's as it is the aeltc's final decision, however i suspect they will go with any lta recommendations. and offer a few more to lower ranked guys as they see fit.

(if you remeber 1 year the aeltc gave wc's to players the lta didnt want to recicve them and had a bit of a moan)

which leave surbs, i think thye will go to boggo (if he doesnt get DE), Josh and bloomers. perhaps younger guys would be better off, but these are the biggest brit names they will get to the tournament and they will look to it on that basis.

Salmon · Tennis legend

Yeah, Wimbledon qualies sign in is on Monday, so if you are in Nottingham main draw, you miss it (unless you're a WC in Wimbly qualies, I think).

I wonder who will be the non-Brits in Wimbly. Malisse will almost surely get one - he once reached the Wimbledon semifinal, which, as you probably know by now, gives him a God given right to play in all tournaments in Britain till the age of 47.

Mirnyi may get one, too, given that he has a good grass game.

Taylor Dent is back (at last... I really missed him - both his playing style and the brilliant faces he pulls off). He may get one if he asks for it.

wolf · Tennis legend

Last year they gave one to the junior champion from the previous year, but Young who won it last year already has a DA, so maybe they will give one to Ignatik, the runner-up.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

full MD wc or Qualies one? i know the USO only gives qualies ones - they didnt give murray one did they? he didnt need it though.

i am not sure Dent should get one, if he is out for so long. still he's got a good name

Salmon · Tennis legend

It's an unofficial rule that you give a qualies WC to last year's Junior champ at all Slams (and a very fair thing it is, I think). But then out here it's an unofficial rule that you have to give WCs to people who don't deserve them - so last year they gave them to 2006's Junior champs.

Ignatik is a decent bet, Wolf. Good player plus has a great backing - coached by John Roddick, whose brother is a former Wimbledon finalist.

Of course he doesn't deserve it, Count. No one who is not British does!

-- Edited by Greenleaf at 16:16, 2008-05-23

Silver · County player

Personally I think Alex needs to qualify really.

I think Jamie and Josh will get one, provided Jamie is back hitting healthy that is. Slabba and Wardy possibly... but past that, I'm a little stumped because in all honesty, I don't think they'll give many more out to the Brits in the main draw! They'd probably give them to Malisse and Bjorkman like they have for Queens (unless they're already MD for Wimbledon and I haven't actually gone to look at the ranking lists... which I haven't...)

As for qualifying... pass.

Seriously. Pass.

freerider · Futures level

i think ken may have a md wildcar at surbiton because hes turned up in qualies for the second kuwait future which perhaps suggests that he has changed plans and he doesnt have to worry about missing surbiton qualies if he gets a good run

Shhh · Challenger level

Greenleaf wrote:

It's an unofficial rule that you give a qualies WC to last year's Junior champ at all Slams (and a very fair thing it is, I think). But then out here it's an unofficial rule that you have to give WCs to people who don't deserve them - so last year they gave them to 2006's Junior champs.

-- Edited by Greenleaf at 16:16, 2008-05-23

I agree with the rule in theory but dont think it exists in reality. When Andy Murray burst onto the scene at Queens and then Wimbeldon, followed it up by winning two challengers in the States, the US Open still didn't award him a wild card despite being there reigning Junior champ and the LTA having given wild cards to US players at Wimbledon. He qualified anyway of course, but thats not the point.

I'll be suprised if more than 4 British men get wild cards this year. I just wish the LTA would trade those that they award to other countries players. We give some out but its never recpricated.

Count Zero · Tennis legend

Shhh wrote:

I just wish the LTA would trade those that they award to other countries players. We give some out but its never recpricated.

i have thought about this too and wondered why they havent, but maybe they cant as the WC's arnt theirs to trade. Wimby isnt a lta event its aeltc so that maybe be why, otherwise i am sure they would have tried to get WC's for andy and boggo when they were younger.

Salmon · Tennis legend

Shhh wrote:

Greenleaf wrote:

It's an unofficial rule that you give a qualies WC to last year's Junior champ at all Slams (and a very fair thing it is, I think). But then out here it's an unofficial rule that you have to give WCs to people who don't deserve them - so last year they gave them to 2006's Junior champs.

I agree with the rule in theory but dont think it exists in reality. When Andy Murray burst onto the scene at Queens and then Wimbeldon, followed it up by winning two challengers in the States, the US Open still didn't award him a wild card despite being there reigning Junior champ and the LTA having given wild cards to US players at Wimbledon. He qualified anyway of course, but thats not the point.

I'll be suprised if more than 4 British men get wild cards this year. I just wish the LTA would trade those that they award to other countries players. We give some out but its never recpricated.

No, no, I'm saying that the unofficial rule is to give qualies WCs, not main draw ones. smile Andy made the qualies cut on his own and didn't need one - if he did, he'd probably get it.

Trading is a great option and I'm all for it. It would be best if we gave four wild cards to Brits, traded three and gave the last one to a play off winner. There's no one in this world who can possibly come up with a logic that could show a drawback of that! But something that good can never happen.