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GB year end ranking highs and lows 1973-2007


Thanks to the ATP adding rankings lists going back to 1973 (some of the early years are incomplete), we can really put the current GB rankings into some kind of context.

Hopefully the image below is fairly self-explanatory and hopefully I'll be able to upload the data on which it is based in the next post.



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YEARBestGB No 1Top 10Top 50Top 100Top 200Top 500
197316Roger Taylor351012
197430Mark Cox261116
197525Mark Cox261219
197617Mark Cox241015
197720Buster Mottram351018
197828Buster Mottram14817
197932Buster Mottram12516
198045Buster Mottram11516
198168Buster Mottram1314
198219Buster Mottram11414
198333Colin Dowdeswell12214
198432John Lloyd1159
198542John Lloyd1239
1986127Andrew Castle211
198789Jeremy Bates1310
1988131Neil Broad313
198996Jeremy Bates1411
1990126Jeremy Bates112
1991168Jeremy Bates29
1992105Jeremy Bates28
199398Jeremy Bates1512
199477Jeremy Bates1415


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YEARBestGB No 1Top 10Top 50Top 100Top 200Top 500
199537Greg Rusedski12716
199629Tim Henman22313
19976Greg Rusedski122512
19987Tim Henman222311
199912Tim Henman22312
200010Tim Henman12610
20019Tim Henman122411
20028Tim Henman122311
200315Tim Henman11310
20046Tim Henman122415
200536Tim Henman23418
200617Andy Murray22413
200711Andy Murray1127
BEST62361219
WORST16817
MEAN46.50.21.22.04.712.8


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As you can see, unless we get another player or two into the top 500 by the end of the year, we'll have gone from a quarter-century high number of players in the year-end top 500 to a quarter-century low in just two years.

Still, it has to be said that it's not a bad as the early 1990s, e.g. 1990 when Jeremy Bates was the only Brit in the top 200 at 126 (and it was probably easier to get players into the top 200 in the days before countries like Serbia were a force to be reckoned with), or a year later when the GB no. 1 had an open era low ranking of 168, even if there was another Brit in the top 200 by then.

Then again, maybe nothing can 'top' 1986, when Andrew Castle (quickly whips out crucifix and a large clove of garlic!) ranked 127 was GB no. 1 and did anyone remember that Neil Broad, Tigger's doubles partner when they won the silver medal at the Atlanta Olympics, was GB singles no. 1 in 1988 ranked 131.

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Very interesting Steven. I hope we will see an improvement in the next couple of years.

I join you in the anti-Castle precautions, can't stand the man.

I had not only not realised Broad was ever no. 1, but not Colin Dowdeswell either. Was Petchey never #1? Or was he just not #1 actually at the year end?

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Great work. Thanks for compiling it.

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Madeline - Petchey and Bates spent a lot of 1994 within 10 places of each other just inside or just outside the top 100 and Petchey was fleetingly GB no. 1 during April 1994. He was 4 behind Bates later in the year when he (Petchey) reached his career high of 80.

Greg is shown on the ATP history as ahead of both of them for most of 1994 but I'm sure Greg was still playing for Canada at that point.

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The days of having 2 in the top 50 seem behind us for a good while... unless brad can really change boggo.

Thanks for making the table steven, it's really interesting (if slightly depressingwink) to look at! I think next year we could definitely see kasiri and skupski take the places in the top 500 of childs and henman and hopefully ward, seator and maybe slabba can make inroads as well!

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These make fascinating reading, Steven; thanks very much.
Two immediate thoughts strike: the world was a much smaller place in the early 70s than now, in the sense that access to tournament tennis was, with the odd exception, restricted to western Europe, the US and the 'old' Commonwealth, whereas now we have large numbers of high-quality players from, as you say yourself, Serbia, plus the rest of eastern Europe, Asia, Africa, and especially, South America. We have only to look at the experience of other sports; in 1970, I was overcome with emotion in Edinburgh's Meadowbank Stadium watching Kip Keino, of Kenya, winning black Africa's first-ever track gold medal in the Commonwealth Games 1500m. And now? It's a rare occurrence to see a non-black African in a long-distance final in a major games. The last swimming world championships saw medals for Papua New Guinea and north African countries. We saw Kenya beat England in one of the Rugby World Sevens series last season (and didn't we Scots enjoy that!! My apologies to all you English folk). As the world gradually becomes more affluent, and more people get the opportunity to make use of their natural talent, so the share of the top places occupied by the 'old' world will inevitably diminish, and quite rightly, too, hard though that is for UK sports-lovers like us to take. The UK represents, what, 1% of the earth's population, so, eventually, having 5 men in the top 500 would be par for the course - not that we should settle for 'par the course!', though.
The second thought comes from studying your graph: the 'top 500' line is really the key, for having a Henman, a Rusedski or a Murray is very much a matter of chance, an aberration, almost. That line shows, with the exception of three spikes in the mid-90s, and another three in '04, '05 and '06, a clear gradual trend downwards. It's not that this year is an especially poor one, but that it fits the trend, which the past three years have bucked.
I realise that this all seems pessimistic, but perhaps we should be more realistic and accept that the like of this present year is what we should expect, then celebrating the 'better' years when they come along - like next year, he says optomistically!

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That's excellent work. Many thanks Steven!


I've a feeling Neil Broad was still competing for South Africa in 1988 though.


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Steven,

I hope you dont mind but I have copied your excellent table into an email to the LTA....just for info !!

Well done !!

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Good reading.
But oh dear not many in the top 500.
We need that to change and quick.

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Drew - that's fine (though I wouldn't mind seeing exactly what you sent if you're happy to pm it to me - just so I know how much trouble I might be in!), though you'd think they'd have this kind of info themselves.

Akhenaten - judging from the results on ITF, Neil Broad was competing for RSA at Wimbledon in 1988 but had switched to GBR by the time Johannesburg came around in November 1988, so he was technically British at the end of 1988, if only just! Odd how he played his last tournament as a South African over here and his first as a Brit over there ...

DJ - glad you found it interesting. Of course, you're right, far fewer people played top level tennis in the early 1970s - in fact only 235 players were ranked at all in 1973, probably because there was only a main tour, no Challengers and definitely no Futures or Satellites. It took until the late 1970s before the top 500 actually included 500 players.

One thing you'll be amazed to learn though (I certainly was!) is that there are currently 26 countries represented by at least one player in the top 100. Back in 1973 the corresponding figure was ... 26 too! I imagine less countries had strength in depth in those days, though that's not really borne out by the stats either - 15 of the 26 countries had more than one player in the top 100 back then, today 17 have.

I take your point about there being a general drift downwards, which is no doubt inevitable, and 2005 being the exception rather than the rule, but there are still plenty of countries that hardly have any tennis players and British tennis has a LOT more than 1% of the total money that goes into tennis, so I think we should be aiming quite a lot higher than 1%!

-- Edited by steven at 17:02, 2007-11-19

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Since you asked (ok, I know you didn't ask just yet LOL), here's the comparison. Looking at this table, I'd be inclined to argue that the seemingly unstoppable move from fast (grass/hard) courts to slow (clay courts and all the rest getting slowed down too) has more to do with the shift in the balance of power from the Anglophone countries to the Latin (Franco/Hispanophone) countries than anything else and that the second biggest factor is the increase in East European players.

Btw I've compared 1973 YUG with 2007 SRB (apart from Niki Pilic who I've put in 1973 CRO), and TCH with CZE.

NAT1973     2007      Chg
ARG111+10
ESP312+9
FRA715+8
RUS16+5
GER37+4
CRO14+3
BEL03+3
AUT13+2
SUI02+2
ITA45+1
SRB23+1
CYP01+1
FIN01+1
KOR01+1
LAT01+1
ISR01+1
CAN01+1
PER01+1
CHI33same
SWE33same
ROU22same
COL11same
CZE43-1
NED10-1
MEX10-1
IND10-1
ZIM10-1
HUN10-1
EGY10-1
PAK10-1
JPN20-2
NZL30-3
RSA40-4
GBR61-5
AUS182-16
USA247-17


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-- Edited by steven at 17:11, 2007-11-19

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steven wrote:

Drew - that's fine (though I wouldn't mind seeing exactly what you sent if you're happy to pm it to me - just so I know how much trouble I might be in!), though you'd think they'd have this kind of info themselves.

Akhenaten - judging from the results on ITF, Neil Broad was competing for RSA at Wimbledon in 1988 but had switched to GBR by the time Johannesburg came around in November 1988, so he was technically British at the end of 1988, if only just! Odd how he played his last tournament as a South African over here and his first as a Brit over there ...

DJ - glad you found it interesting. Of course, you're right, far fewer people played top level tennis in the early 1970s - in fact only 235 players were ranked at all in 1973, probably because there was only a main tour, no Challengers and definitely no Futures or Satellites. It took until the late 1970s before the top 500 actually included 500 players.

One thing you'll be amazed to learn though (I certainly was!) is that there are currently 26 countries represented by at least one player in the top 100. Back in 1973 the corresponding figure was ... 26 too! I imagine less countries had strength in depth in those days, though that's not really borne out by the stats either - 15 of the 26 countries had more than one player in the top 100 back then, today 17 have.

I take your point about there being a general drift downwards, which is no doubt inevitable, and 2005 being the exception rather than the rule, but there are still plenty of countries that hardly have any tennis players and British tennis has a LOT more than 1% of the total money that goes into tennis, so I think we should be aiming quite a lot higher than 1%!

-- Edited by steven at 17:02, 2007-11-19



Dont worry Steven I only copied the tables and gave a quick 'were still behind you' etc....hopefully Mr Draper will reply wink.gif





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