Andy's Live Ranking During Week 44 (Paris Masters)

RobC · All-time great

Andy's Live Ranking During Week 44 (Paris Masters)

VSandhi20 · Futures qualifying

Do you mean if andy wins his round 2 match? but if moya loses his 1st round match then andy will overtake him without playing his 2nd rd match.

RobC · All-time great

Thanks Vik - my bad - I'd ignored the fact that Andy and Moya don't play R1, but have a bye into R2. It's better news: he can overtake not just Moya, but also Gasquet and Berdych if they lose their first matches.

I'll update that first post

imoen · Admin: Moderator+Tennis Legend

Andy's win in St Pete's means he starts at 12th in the rankings so Moya is out of the picture

(for a few rounds at least).

I think that Andy drops to 14th due to defending but I'll leave Rob to confirm that.

indiana · Tennis legend

Since last year's Tennis Masters Cup Finals points from China also will come off in the rankings after the Paris Masters, do you not want to reflect this in the running totals ?

According to the ATP site :

"The South African Airways ATP Rankings period is the immediate past 52 weeks, except for:
(i) the Tennis Masters Cup, which is dropped on the Monday following the last ATP event of the following year;
(ii) Futures Series Tournaments that are only entered into the System on the second Monday following the Tournament's week. Once entered, all Tournaments, except for the Tennis Masters Cup, remain in the System for 52 consecutive weeks."

And this is indeed what happened last year.

Therefore, to take James Blake for instance, he is not just defending 75 points from last year's Paris Masters, he is going to lose 400 points from last year's Tennis Master's Cup.

-- Edited by indiana at 19:03, 2007-10-28

RobC · All-time great

The New Table is posted here (on britishtennis.net)

REVISED AFTER ANDY WON IN ST PETERSBURG

Andy reached the third round in Paris last year, so he's defending 75 points, however he doesn't drop any places as. Ljubicic and Berdych are defending points from Paris and the Masters Cup from 2006.

Robredo, Gasquet, Chela, Monaco, Mathieu and Nalbandian are the other players dropping places.

Andy, as a seed, doesn't play in round 1.

If he wins his first match (round 2), he can overtake Haas, Canas, Robredo and Blake if they each lose their first matches (also round 2)
If he loses his first match, he's within range of Berdych, Gasquet and Moya

Full "what-if" will turn up after all the round 2 matches have been done and there's a bit less of a field to worry about.

I wonder if Bethan can do us a "What-If" for the race?

Edited to inlude the effect of taking off Masters Cup points (Thanks Indiana!)

-- Edited by RobC at 15:44, 2007-10-29

-- Edited by RobC at 18:40, 2007-10-29

indiana · Tennis legend

Actually, if you take out last year's Tennis Masters Cup points from the rankings running totals, as will in fact be the case in practice, then I am pretty sure that I am correct in saying that the rankings and the race should be the same for the top players. They will cover the same 18 tournaments.

Just that the ranking points will be 5 times the race points.

RobC · All-time great

pretty much spot-on. thing is, I've not taken out the masters points...... hmm. might be a relatively easy addition to the spreadsheet.......

indiana · Tennis legend

Sorry, I am not around for ages and cause trouble as soon as I come back !

Sheddie · administrator

lol, why the 6 month disappearances out of interest ?

Really, really dodgy internet connection which awakens briefly and then dies for half the year......or very busy at work ?

imoen · Admin: Moderator+Tennis Legend

If needed I'll do a race 'what if' sometime tomorrow.

RobC · All-time great

ah - cool - I'm struggling - trying to be too clever

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Strictly, though, the MC points do not drop off until 5 November, do they? Though I suppose as there are no more top level tournaments it makes no difference if we take them off a week early.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

The link isn't working for me. Maybe because you are busy working on the table? It takes me to a heading for week 43 but clicking on that gets me precisely nowhere.

RobC · All-time great

I think that was just a temporary glitch, Mad. The right page came up for me just now