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Drew wrote:

Murray lost in the third round last year (Hrbaty !) in Paris.

Is Andys new '5th' score is 22 pts from the Memphis semi ? Which means for Andy to gain any more points in Paris he would have to get to the QF ?

No, it's better news than that. The 5th score thing only works for the 5 'best of the rest' tournaments. Paris is an AMS masters series tournament meaning the points are mandatory so everyone will add them to their race points. So it's simply a case of adding the new points to the total points. (much easier to work out).



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Bloody nora you need a masters to work out bloody rankings / race....!!

So everyone starts with the ability to add to their points total...so that is much clearer !!!

Thanks again Bethan !

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lol, it's relatively simple AFTER you've understood it. Until then it's near impossible to get straight. It doesn't help that there's two different systems in operation for the entry ranking and race.

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Pos./PlayerPointsBest 5th This Week
6th/D. Ferrer 42512Lost 1st Rd. Basel (+0)
7th/F. Gonzalez 3680Lost Basel QFs (+12 -0 = 368)
8th/T. Haas 3298Withdrew Lyon (+0)
9th/T. Robredo32818Lost 1st Rd. Lyon (+0)
10th/J. Blake 32720Lost 2nd Rd. Basel (+0)
11th/R. Gasquet 32110Lost 2nd Rd. Lyon (+0)
12th/T. Berdych 3188Lost Basel QFs (+12 -8 = 322)
13th/C. Moya 31615not playing (+0)
14th/I. Ljubicic 31515Lost Lyon QFs (+0)
15th/G. Canas 2951Lost 2nd Rd. Basel (+5 -1 = 299)
16th/J.I. Chela2848Lost 1st Rd. Basel (+0)
17th/M. Youzhny 28215Lost St. Petersburg SFs (+22 -15 = 289)
18th/A. Murray 2815Alive in St. Petersburg F (+35 -5 = 311)
19th/L. Hewitt 2734not playing (+0)
20th/J.C. Ferrero 2714not playing (+0)
21st/J. Monaco 2699Lost in 2nd Rd. Lyon (+0) 
22nd/M. Baghdatis26512Lost Basel SFs (+22 -12 = 275)
23rd/P-H Mathieu 2598Lost Basel QFs (+12 -8 = 263)
24th/D Nalbandian 2550Lost 1st Rd. Basel (+0)
25th/I Karlovic 2518Lost Basel SFs (+22 -8 = 265) 


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So the 'live rankings:'

6 Ferrer 425
7 Gonzalez 380
8 Haas 329
9 Robredo 328
10 Blake 327
11 Berdych 322
12 Gasquet 321
13 Moya 316
14 Ljubicic 315
15 MURRAY 311
16 Canas 299
17 Youzhny 289
18 Chela 284
19 Baghdatis 275
20 Hewitt 273
21 Ferrero 271
22 Monaco 269
23 Karlovic 265
24 Mathieu 263
25 Nalbandian 255

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Thanks Bethan !



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no worries, i'm working it out for myself anyway so might as well post it for everyone else too smile.gif

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The ATP have updated their 'bubble' as of todays

bubble271007.jpg picture by acaciaTF

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Drew wrote that Paris points are 100, 50, 45, 25....  what are the rest of the numbers?

In addition to Djokovic another unfortunate aspect of the Paris draw is that even if Haas and Robredo oblige by fallling at the first hurdle - those numbers suggest that in all probability Gasquet or Blake will get 25 points (for reaching the quarters) since they are drawn to meet in the last 16.

All such discussion is moot if Andy doesnt win this afternoon of course.



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Points are 100, 70, 45, 25, 15, 7, 1.

Those with a first round bye get only 1 point if they lose in the second round.

-- Edited by imoen at 13:37, 2007-10-28

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Thanks imoen

So winning today, the 2nd round next week and beating Djokovic in the 3rd round isnt likely to be enough.

In all probability he would still have to beat Blake/Gasquet in the quarters.



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Correct. He needs to make at least the semis and even then it's not 100% certain he'd make it.

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Andy wins and moves up to a total of 326 race points and 11th position.

Part 1 complete, now to move onto the Paris phase of the operation.

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It's all so close.  If only Andy had 4 more points, he'd currently be in 8th place ahead of Haas, Robredo and Blake and would have much more chance.

As it is he must reach at least one round further than all three of them and at least as far as Berdych, Gasquet, Moya and Ljubicic.

As folk say, I am sure that he will realistically have to reach at least the semis.

In doing this, he would be taking care of Blake / Gasquet by himself.

The main worry would then be that Haas and Robredo are in the other half of the draw, away from Andy himself and Federer ( Haas in Nadal quarter, Robredo in Davydenko quarter ) .

If either of them reached the semis then Andy would have to reach at least the final, which could mean having to beat Federer.

I guess it must be odds against, but he has done really well to still give himself a chance after such a midseason break.



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If only he hadn't lost to Tipsarevic in Moscow cry.gif As you say though, it's amazing he's in with a chance given that he gained virtually no pts for 5 months of the season and missed 2 slams !!! He'd be top 5 surely otherwise

Who knows what will happen in Paris, the tournament often throws up crazy upsets....whoever would have thought Dominic Hrbaty would have made the final last year

Welcome back again Indiana biggrin

-- Edited by Sheddie at 18:01, 2007-10-28

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