Andy Murray

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

RE: Andy Murray

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Could Andy get enough points to get a Wimbledon seeding ? Surbiton alone would leave him short I think ? So hes going to need a good Queens event or maybe also play the week before Queens in one of the 250 events ?

wolf · Tennis legend

Well he is about 200 points behind right now and he has to defend another 200 points from last year so he would have to win Queens.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
Well he is about 200 points behind right now and he has to defend another 200 points from last year so he would have to win Queens.

Or play a 250 the week prior to queens

wolf · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
wolf wrote:
Well he is about 200 points behind right now and he has to defend another 200 points from last year so he would have to win Queens.
Or play a 250 the week prior to queens

He hasnt entered one.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
wolf wrote:
Well he is about 200 points behind right now and he has to defend another 200 points from last year so he would have to win Queens.
Or play a 250 the week prior to queens
He hasnt entered one.

No I realise but cant he get a wildcard ? Or is there a rule stopping that (there seem all sorts of rules that I dont follow!)

wolf · Tennis legend

Theres not a rule, but it takes the p1ss a bit as he could have just entered originally and the orgainsers will know this and have local players to give them to. If he planned to play he would have just entered.

Im not convinced just scraping a seeding is a good idea anyway. If you are a 29-32 seeded player you are guaranteed to face a 1-4 seed in the 3rd round assuming you both get there. If you are unseeded you could face them in the first round, but also a 50% chance you avoid them until the quarter finals. Then again Alcaraz and Ruud are relatively unproven on grass.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
Theres not a rule, but it takes the p1ss a bit as he could have just entered originally and the orgainsers will know this and have local players to give them to. If he planned to play he would have just entered.

Im not convinced just scraping a seeding is a good idea anyway. If you are a 29-32 seeded player you are guaranteed to face a 1-4 seed in the 3rd round assuming you both get there. If you are unseeded you could face them in the first round, but also a 50% chance you avoid them until the quarter finals. Then again Alcaraz and Ruud are relatively unproven on grass.

I understand your point - lets see what happens I guess

indiana · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
Theres not a rule, but it takes the p1ss a bit as he could have just entered originally and the orgainsers will know this and have local players to give them to. If he planned to play he would have just entered.

Im not convinced just scraping a seeding is a good idea anyway. If you are a 29-32 seeded player you are guaranteed to face a 1-4 seed in the 3rd round assuming you both get there. If you are unseeded you could face them in the first round, but also a 50% chance you avoid them until the quarter finals. Then again Alcaraz and Ruud are relatively unproven on grass.

Fair points, other than it would a 1 to 8 seed in R3 if he just scraped into the seedings. 1 to 8 against 25 to 32 and 9 to 16 against 17 to 24 if the seeds reach R3.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

The tale of Andy & the 16-year-old first-time Grand Slam match-winner. smile

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

It's been an utter pleasure to see Andy play challengers in the UK in the grass season.

Two titles. Surbiton and Nottingham.

He's been a huge crowd draw, obviously, and got the papers all excited.

But (just my opinion), having seen a couple of the matches and - importantly - watched his practice sessions, he's been a LONG way off his previous levels. Basically, he's served his way out of trouble. Found the big serves when he needed them, which is a mark of a champion, but also because (assuming no shoulder issues) the serve is a shot that is the easiest to keep, even when the rest of you is crumbling a bit. I wish him all the best at Wimbledon, and hope I'm wrong, but I won't be setting my hopes too high (putting it mildly)

Shhh · Challenger level

Coup Droit wrote:
It's been an utter pleasure to see Andy play challengers in the UK in the grass season.

Two titles. Surbiton and Nottingham.

He's been a huge crowd draw, obviously, and got the papers all excited.

But (just my opinion), having seen a couple of the matches and - importantly - watched his practice sessions, he's been a LONG way off his previous levels. Basically, he's served his way out of trouble. Found the big serves when he needed them, which is a mark of a champion, but also because (assuming no shoulder issues) the serve is a shot that is the easiest to keep, even when the rest of you is crumbling a bit. I wish him all the best at Wimbledon, and hope I'm wrong, but I won't be setting my hopes too high (putting it mildly)

I think we have the read the situation in a similar vein Coup. His performance at Queens should tell us much more.

indiana · Tennis legend

Still he may, at least on his day. be not far off a top 10 grass court player in the world, as he talked about recently.

Wimbledon, alas, requires too many long matches, for him to be a real contender. But let's hope he leaves another memory or two from there this year.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Lengthy interview with Andy in today's Standard. Can't say I care for the reporter's style, which I ultimately found irritating - & she can't spell "misery"!

Var · Club Coach

Shhh wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
It's been an utter pleasure to see Andy play challengers in the UK in the grass season.

Two titles. Surbiton and Nottingham.

He's been a huge crowd draw, obviously, and got the papers all excited.

But (just my opinion), having seen a couple of the matches and - importantly - watched his practice sessions, he's been a LONG way off his previous levels. Basically, he's served his way out of trouble. Found the big serves when he needed them, which is a mark of a champion, but also because (assuming no shoulder issues) the serve is a shot that is the easiest to keep, even when the rest of you is crumbling a bit. I wish him all the best at Wimbledon, and hope I'm wrong, but I won't be setting my hopes too high (putting it mildly)
I think we have the read the situation in a similar vein Coup. His performance at Queens should tell us much more.

I suppose it tells us that you need to be competing with the best to beat them? I was a little surprised he dropped back down to challengers on grass. Would say that tactic didnt work for him? Not sure though.