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RE: Week 43 - ATP 500 - Erste Bank Open 500 - Vienna, Austria (hard)


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Sheddie wrote:

Just deleting these posts, as the whole singles/doubles argument in every thread is getting rather tiring



-- Edited by Sheddie on Saturday 21st of October 2017 08:09:48 PM


Thank you, Sheddie.   I agree & was tempted to do that myself, but was curious to see how Jaggy would justify himself this time!  


 Oh for goodness sake, There was no argument as far as I can see but continue the Stasi like approach if you must. I ll not bother contributing anymore so feel free to delete my whole profile.


 Top flouncing!!


 And he's a member of Parliament.  Oh dear!



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No, he isn't.

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Yes, that would be concerning.

We have two MPs on the forum that I know of and that includes none of the above.

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Surely you would expect much worse behaviour from an MP

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Sheddie wrote:

Back to Vienna, I remember Kyle lost a close one to Ferrer on the North American hard courts back in the summer. Started well but then ran out of gas

Ferrer used to win these kind of tournaments for fun back in his pomp but at 35 he's not the force he was a year or two ago, lost to Schwartzman in Antwerp quarters last week. It'll be a tricky match but a good one for Kyle to pull through.

As an side point, does anyone else feel that Kyle should add a few more ATP 250s in his scheduling? While 2017 has definitely been a development year for him, particularly against the top players, he seems to make things slightly harder for himself by compiling a schedule based largely around ATP 500s and Masters events. And as a result, week-in, week-out he comes up against the big guns early on, and never gets a chance to get much momentum or confidence flowing.

I was surprised not to see him compete last week, would have been a chance to pick up a few wins in a slightly weaker field and come into the tougher two events with more confidence



Interesting one. We have had in recent times what I am sure most folk regard as nonsense regarding Kyle possibly dropping back to Challengers. But I hadn't really considered  ATP 500 vs ATP 250 ( I guess we would want Kyle playing Masters when he can ).

Kyle has actually played in rather more ATP 250s events than ATP 500s this year and not surprisingly these have brought him more success. With possibly more particularly lack of Masters wins going into Slams, Kyle has twice this season made late entries into ATP 250s, Lyon in advance of the French Open and Winston-Salem in advance of the US Open. Slight problem with Winston-Salem was that it went almost too well and had him playing 7 matches, including qualifying, in the week before a Slam and that may have conspired against him in a US Open that literally did become very open, but where a maybe not unrelated injury caused his retirement and tiredness might have become more of an issue in time. A tactical withdrawal in Winston-Salem at some stage may have been an option, having shown the flexibility to play there in the first place.

Ideally you want a well planned though adaptable schedule testing yourself at the best level but also giving yourself matches ( which Kyle has lacked at times this year not by not being generally competitive but more not ultimately getting the wins ). So a slight dilemma, particularly in being often so relatively close against very good players, in that he no doubt wants to keep giving himself a shot, learn and maybe get the job done next time. I guess much depends on the individual too, their motivations and their relative need of plenty matches.

Kyle's 2017 so far overall :

Davis Cup : 1 win and 3 losses from 2 ties.

Slams : 6 wins, 4 losses from 4 events.

ATP 1000 : 4 - 7 from 7.

ATP 500 : 2 - 5 from 5.

ATP 250 : 13 - 9 from 9, plus 4 qualifying wins.



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Dimitrov has withdrawn from Vienna citing fatigue and so if kyle beats ferrer, his draw opens up as he plays the winner of Fabbiano and Novak in round 2. Chance to get some decent points this week for kyle.

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Kyle is a double break up in the first set, serving at *4-1

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1st set to Kyle 6-2.

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L16:  (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 19 (9+10) defeated Andrés Molteni & Diego Schwartzman (ARG/ARG) CR 196 (46+151) by 6-2 7-6(5)

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QF:  (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 19 (9+10) vs Karen Khachanov & Lucas Pouille CR 333 (150+183)



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Jamie and Bruno won 6-2 7-6(5)

Kyle was a break up in the second set but Ferrer broke back for 4-4*.

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L32:  Kyle Edmund WR 63 defeated David Ferrer (ESP) WR 29 by 6-2 7-6(5)  ban-woohoo.gif

I thought he might stand a chance, given that Ferrer is now 35, butstill every bit the wily old scrapper, so I didn't imagine that it could be that straighforward!  biggrin



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Decent win for Kyle and a good chance in round 2 as he will play a lower ranked player.

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L16:  Kyle Edmund WR 63 vs (Q) Dennis Novak (AUT) WR 284 (CH = 196 in July last year)



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Stircrazy wrote:

L16:  Kyle Edmund WR 63 vs (Q) Dennis Novak (AUT) WR 284 (CH = 196 in July last year)


 Important match for Kyle to win, but he surely should be hot favorite, even allowing for home town fans etc



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JonH wrote:
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L16:  Kyle Edmund WR 63 vs (Q) Dennis Novak (AUT) WR 284 (CH = 196 in July last year)


 Important match for Kyle to win, but he surely should be hot favorite, even allowing for home town fans etc


My fear, Jon, is the annoying habit of our players rising to the occasion & beating players they weren't necessarily expected to beat, then falling flat on their @rses against the players they are expected to beat, usually in the next round!



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