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Week 40 - USA F29 ($15,000) - Mansfield, TX (Hard)


Strong wins all around. Like others, I fear I can't cheer for the plucky underdog in the QFs ... though it's good to have a match where there are positives whatever happens.

Unless I'm mistaken (which I could well be - don't know all the names) Mr Norrie is the only university student left in the tournament. Quite an accomplishment. (Then again, over in the Sacramento Challenger, the too-young-for-university, ex-university and currently on leave from university players are upsetting people right, left and centre, including Tim Smyczek,  Dustin Brown and Blaz Kavcic)

 



-- Edited by Spectator on Thursday 8th of October 2015 09:37:43 PM

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SF:  Liam Broady & Ashley Fisher (AUS) UNR vs Hunter Johnson & Yates Johnson (USA/USA) CR 1862 (931+931)

Yet again their Yank opponents obligingly removed an apparently tougher obstacle in their QF, this time the second seeds, Daniel Garza & Anderson ( rolleyes.gif ) Reed.  I presume the Yanks are brothers, even twins.  They're both 21, but, curiously, Hunter ( rolleyes.gif ) was born on 4th June 1994 & Yates ( rolleyes.gif ) on 2nd June 1994... confuse



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I think Johnson & Johnson played against Ward& Edmund in a challenger earlier in year. I think ward/Edmund only just snuck through if I remember.

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Wow re the Johnsons, now a day between you could see, depending on the timing, but two days I am thinking would be stressful !!!



-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 8th of October 2015 11:02:56 PM

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Yep they are twins at SMU also in Dallas (most suspensions for cheating in the NCAA, SMU and most recently around basketball not the Johnson's) they have known the Bryan's since they were 10 and regularly hit with them!

Back to Cam who has had a cracking freshman year and is probably already considered to be one of if not the best player to attend TCU, although soon to be joined by an indigenous new recruit with a higher junior rank so perhaps that honour will be short lived. Given his recent form Liam may have a bit more to do than one might think.

I don't think the USTA will be watching the Sacremento challenger too hard praying for College to pro transition miracles. The present US crop of juniors I think are likely to impact the upper echelons of the pro tour pretty quickly and I would be surprised if any of them spend much if anytime in college. This group are for the most part too good.

I worry a little about the transitioning of the not so tall Noah Rubin to the top 50 and I see he was off to college at Wake Forest did well but still lost a few and now turned pro, I feel he will have a long road But would love to see him make it. 
The 98 ears Fritz, Mmoha, Paul have just gone for it and how many 6ft 11inch players are there struggling on the challenger tour (Reilly Opelka, who quite wisely has linked up with John Isners management team) 



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I think the USTA is thrilled to bits with college to pro transitions at present (at least if you follow tweets from Zootennis). There's Austin Krajicek making the top 100; John Isner in the top 15; Steve Johnson in the top 50 (and trying, I think, to get into the O2 in doubles with Querrey); MacKenzie McDonald taking a term off to test the waters and doing brilliantly; Marcus Giron just graduated and beating top players. Yes, they're not simply reliant on the university players. But we'd be quite pleased with a system that gave us four players in the top-100 (which I think will be where the US university players are next week) ... and I suspect they are too, despite the fact that they've also got players coming in through other routes.

Agree on Noah Rubin. From the few times I've seen him play, he has superb speed and tactical sense ... but it's a tough world if you're that small. Think he may take a little longer to get to the top ... but would equally love to see him there.

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Good post Spectator.  Clearly college isn't going to turn everyone into a good standard pro, but the strong schools / conferences do seem to turn out a reasonable pipeline.  Obviously, few of these will go on to be top top players but probably as many as come through other routes turn out to be good enough to earn a fair living.  There seems to have been an increase in UK  youngsters taking this route in the last 2 or 3 years and it will be interesting in the next 2 or 3 years to see if the graduates supplement Team GB in as positive a way as they are supplementing Team USA.  We many have had more, but so far I can think of Andrew Bettles, Joe Salisbury, Farris Gosea, Lloyd Glasspool, George Coupland, Chris Hellior and Mike Nott in recent years who have come through uni to then have a go on the pro tour. 



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Ed Corrie and Dom Inglot are, of course, two of the more established ex-college pro GB players

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I think the role for GB may be a bit different from the role for the USA. In the US, some of the players who are going to university have very high CH ITF rankings: Giron was 18, McDonald was 12; Kwiatkowski was 13, just to pick three of the most recent. Alex Rybakov, Mr Norrie's future teammate, is another - very solid results as a junior and a CH of 16. So the fact that they're emerging as good players at the other end isn't a huge shock. What they seem to be doing is foregoing the stress of wandering around solo on the Futures circuit and instead maturing their game in the far more stable area of university (and, yes, getting an education alongside that!) But it does mean that the US will probably have a higher percentage of US ex-university players "making it" on Tour than we will, given that the LTA doesn't seem to encourage its better players to go to university.

[NB I understand the pressures to have the best players go straight on to the circuit. And for some, it makes sense. But I do wonder whether Mr Golding, for example, might have benefited from time at university - less pressure, a team around you, intellectual pursuits to give life balance, etc)

That said, there are also US players who weren't stellar juniors and who developed at university: eg James Blake (ITF UNR ; ATP CH 4), John Isner (ITF CH 93; ATP CH 9) and indeed Steve Johnson (ITF CH 660; ATP CH 37). And it may be that what the US university system can deliver is the counterbalance to the much-discussed over-narrowing in the LTA, whereby all eggs are put into a very few baskets among the juniors. If a few of our Blake/Isner/Johnson types get nurtured by the university system until they are ready to perform at Tour level, it would be all to the good. In a sense, that's what LSU did for the Skupskis and Virginia for Dom Inglot - both overlooked by the LTA, despite showing promise as juniors - and I suspect Mr Glasspool and Mr Salisbury, in particular, may fall into that category, too. And yes, CD, Mr Corrie hasn't done too badly either!



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Quite agree about Oli Golding. Would probably apply to George Morgan too, and others. There's a lot to be said for it.

Just to note that more and more young French players are also going the UC college route, which was pretty much unheard of ten years back, and this, despite having a very good federation support system (although going south quickly, if you want to believe the current mutterings, mainly because of all the cuts that are having to be made in order to pay for the new Roland Garros installations). I think it will become more and more common too.

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I would suggest it may work for the boys, but not so much for the girls. This is due to the top girls being able to compete at the main tour at 16 and turning pro much earlier.
I suggest that you cannot provide a decent list of female players coming out of the US college system. Robin Anderson is the only player I can think of.

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Think it probably suits the male career path better, but I can think of a few women - Irina Falconi, Nicole Gibbs, Gisela Dulko, Julie Coin, Maria Sanchez, Lisa Raymond, Jill Craybas, Raquel Kops-Jones, Mallory Burdette, Abilgail Spears, Sam Murray, Melanie Oudin.  Not top top players except in dubs but several names who have made a decent stab at the tour and who I'm sure we'd be happy to have swelling the GB ranks. And yes, I do know Sam M is British........



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Thanks for that - i'd forgotten about some of those names

Anyway back to the thread:

The battle of the "Brits" is underway - Cam holds the opening game

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Liam did go a break down at the start of the first set, but the games are now back with service:  *3-4.



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But Cam bounces back to take the first set by 6-3!



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