ATP & WTA rankings of the 25th best Brits over time

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

ATP & WTA rankings of the 25th best Brits over time

paulisi · Tennis legend

Bob in Spain wrote:
So it appears we have cracked the 700 barrier with our 25th ranked player, David Rice, now ranked at 687. Congratulations to all those who have helped break the barrier, but now is a time to push on and not to sit on ones laurels.

So what is the next target we should be setting ?

30 players inside the top 700
25 players inside the top 600
15 players inside the top 500
10 players inside the top 350
5 players inside the top 250
2 players inside the top 100

There are players coming up (see paulisi post above) who could help push us over the first two targets although there are one or two (Bloomers & Burn) who will probably be moving the other way. I think Tom Burn has the potential to go higher but his priorities seem to have changed.

So how many of my predictions above will come true before the end of the season ?

Updated thoughts - it makes it a touch harder Jamie, Josh and Tom B retiring

30 players inside the top 700 - need 3 or 4 to break through, Broady, JWH most likely

25 players inside the top 600 - I think we got to 24 at one stage

15 players inside the top 500 - target complete, 20 is more likely

10 players inside the top 350 -getting close, Boggo and Baker going down rankings, so need Kyle, Rice and another to jump into bracket

5 players inside the top 250 - 3 inside top 200, then a big gap

2 players inside the top 100 - potential, but a lot of points to collect to get anywhere near for James or Dan

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Have to be honest and when I set these "targets", I always thought the last one was the least likely. And as mentioned previously, somewhere hidden away in a tournament thread, I did pose the question of 20 in the top 500. For some reason, when I made the post above, I "bottled it" on that one.

indiana · Tennis legend

Bob, I do recall you posing the question of 20 in the top 500,

I remember guffawing at such unrealism, that in my view it was assuming too many players went as well as hoped with hardly any failures. Historically it just wouldn't happen. In truth I must admit it has gone rather well in the 400 - 600 range.

Goodall will drop out the top 500 on Monday week taking the top 500 figure back down from 18 to 17. But we are still quite close.

I the short term, Golding and Goodall just need a few points and if say Gabb or Marsalek could have a great week, 20 is currently much more feasible then I ever imagined. Longer term others may come through.

It still may not happen, but it was a brave and much better shout than I ever imagined, Bob.

paulisi · Tennis legend

"15 players inside the top 500 - target complete, 20 is more likely"

Marzi, Gabb and Oli knocking on the door.

I think 15 players in the top 400 may be achievable at some stage.

WD40 · Club Coach

The BBC really do need to get their act together regards tennis, on this weeks women's ranking list they have Maria Kirilenko ranked 12 AND 16. They also have Lisa Whybourn listed as one of the Brits inside the top 250 even though her ranking of 278 is clearly shown confuse

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
"15 players inside the top 500 - target complete, 20 is more likely"

Marzi, Gabb and Oli knocking on the door.

I think 15 players in the top 400 may be achievable at some stage.

Yes, the '15 in the top 400' is interesting and very do-able - 8 players currently in the 400s, all of them (bar Josh G.) taking it seriously, playing hard, doing well (or well-ish) . . . some have got serious points to come off soon though . . .

But there's only 10 points difference between WR 421 and 380 so it's very close . . .

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

OK. Up to 19 next week. I relly need someone to help me out here.

So come on Marzi / Rich G. A really good couple of weeks from one of you please (or preferably both), although it is going to be hard for Rich G, given he is not actually playing this week wink

Maybe Liam or JWH can bolt from the pack over the next few weeks as well. Let's hope so. May need a couple as Josh G (unless he reappears in a tournament) is likely to drop out at the end of the US Open fortnight.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Surprising that Gabb is not playing the GB 10ks coming up. He's going out to Turkey.
Gabb and Marzi are the obvious choices. Broady and JWH have potential, but need 30+ pts to break in.

I'm starting to think 30 players inside the top 700 is possible as is 15 inside the top 400 and possibly 10 inside the top 300 at some stage

Murray
Ward j
Evans
Corrie
Klein
Ward a
Cox
Boggo
Kyle

An other

steven · Tennis legend

10 in the top 300 would be good, but I think Klein will struggle to get back in there without a significant upturn in form - he has around a quarter of his points coming off in the next 4 weeks.

Similarly with Boggo, who by the end of next week won't have played for 5 weeks at what is usually a good time of year for him so must be struggling with his back or similar niggles, I assume

paulisi · Tennis legend

I know we keep going on about men's targets, but slightly unfair to not do something similar for the girls

30 inside the top 1000
15 inside the top 500
10 inside top 250
5 inside top 100
2 inside top 50
1 inside top 20

Realistic?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Dan Cox has absolutely zero points to defend between now and the end of the year.

He also has 7 zero-pointers to be pushed off the list.

i.e. all points are net positive and will push him miles up if he gets another good run or two.

However, surprised to see him (I believe) still down for the next two 10k futures in the UK.

His last interview (that I saw) said he was going to have a go at Challengers, which seemed sensible. Or at least a 15k.

paulisi · Tennis legend

I was just looking at who has big points to defend for the rest of the year and how the rankings would pan out at the end of Dec.

Andy Murray obviously has the largest amount of points to defend, but then it is(assuming I can add up), plus a few more not added:

A Ward 59
Pauffley 51
Boggo 42
Baker 41
Klein 37
Milton 37
Edmund 31
Evans 29
Smethurst 28
Hewitt 22
Golding 21
Burn 20
Bloomers 18

Again using Steven's tables which include the latest points(Sheffield etc) and I have added Josh M's 5pts for qualifying, these would be the worst case scenarios for counting ranking points at end of Dec(hopefully no big errors!!), assuming no further points:

Murray 5790
Evans 331
Ward 278
Cox 146
Corrie 111
Edmund 102
Rice 92
Hewitt 83
Willis 81
Tom F 68
Baker 65
Smethurst 65
Klein 63
A Ward 59
Boggo 57
Gabb 53
Golding 50
Goodall 50
Broady 42
Milton 35
Fitzy 35
Pauffley 33
Marzi 29
JWH 26
Carpenter 20
Burton 19
Bloomers 16
Carter 15
Short 14
Coupland 14
Slabba 6
Bambo 6
Burn 0

Using the following rough table:

rank pos pts
200       232
300       140
400        94
500       65
600       42
700        30

Guaranteed 3 inside top 200
4 inside top 300
6 inside top 400
12 inside top 500
19 inside top 600
22 inside top 700

Bob's 20 inside top 500 will need to find another 8 - Alex W and Klein should get there points. Then the remainder is questionable. Boggo(if he returns) and Golding must be contenders. Gabb and Broady are possibilities. Cannot see anyone else get there unless Josh G plays a few tournaments.

-- Edited by paulisi on Sunday 8th of September 2013 11:59:31 AM

indiana · Tennis legend

Interesting.

Re Bob's mission of 20 in the top 500, I agree year end looks problematic. Also, with particular reference to Jamie, 65 points is not actually "guaranteed", although is just top 500 currently.

I'd say shorter term offers a much greater chance. Josh Milton's challenger qualifying points are useful here.

As at 23/09, minimum points will be :

16. Farquharson 71
17. Golding 70
18. Milton 66
19. Gabb 62
20. Goodall 53
21. Broady 50

So if Gabb can have another decent week in Turkey ( may need SF ) and either Goodall or Broady wins Roehampton we're in business !

No further relevant points are due off at 30/09, so dependant on entries there could be another chance then.

paulisi · Tennis legend

I cannot see 20 GB male players in the top 500 happening for a good while now, so maybe we should go for a more realistic target:

10 GB male players in the top 300 is definitely doable - maybe even pushing the boat out and by Wimbledon qualifying have at least 2 direct entries to Wimbledon and 5 more who automatically qualify for wildcards?