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Q1: BOULTER, Katie (GBR) (6) 74 (CH=73 2023) v MANDLIK, Elizabeth (USA) 120 (CH=97 2023) 

They met in Landisville in 2021 with Katie winning 5 & 4



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The WTA part of the tour tournament has been upgraded to a 500; this is the only joint ATP/WTA 500 on tour.

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Insanely strong qualifying and main draws when you look at all the 250 events these past couple of weeks.

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9vicman wrote:

Insanely strong qualifying and main draws when you look at all the 250 events these past couple of weeks.

 Surprising more British players didn't try and take advantage of the weak fields in Prague and Warsaw. Hope Katie doesn't end up regretting skipping the latter.



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Blue_Belle wrote:

The WTA part of the tour tournament has been upgraded to a 500; this is the only joint ATP/WTA 500 on tour.



It's actually a relocation of the 500 that was in San Jose. There was to be no WTA event here otherwise as it was borrowing the licence of a suspended Asian tournament last year.

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The winner here in Washington gets $120k for a 500 level event in the same venue as the mens; the mens winner gets $335k. For a 500 event.

Womens has 8 of Top 20 playing; mens has 5.

Sponsor is the same organisation. Citi (bank?).

Wow.

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JonH comes home wrote:

The winner here in Washington gets $120k for a 500 level event in the same venue as the mens; the mens winner gets $335k. For a 500 event.


Womens has 8 of Top 20 playing; mens has 5.


Sponsor is the same organisation. Citi (bank?).


Wow.



Citi sponsor the men and Mubadala the women. As this is a merged event bringing together the existing Citi sponsored Washington DC ATP tournament and the Mubadala sponsored San Jose WTA tournament, they've agreed to present as joint title partners across both events but really they'll just be honouring their existing sponsorship agreements.

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Lambda wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

The winner here in Washington gets $120k for a 500 level event in the same venue as the mens; the mens winner gets $335k. For a 500 event.


Womens has 8 of Top 20 playing; mens has 5.


Sponsor is the same organisation. Citi (bank?).


Wow.


 


Citi sponsor the men and Mubadala the women. As this is a merged event bringing together the existing Citi sponsored Washington DC ATP tournament and the Mubadala sponsored San Jose WTA tournament, they've agreed to present as joint title partners across both events but really they'll just be honouring their existing sponsorship agreements.

 Ok maybe the title of this thread caught me out as it says Citi. Maybe that was a mistake. Nonetheless the optics look poor in my opinion, particularly with the WTA saying they have a strategy to achieve pay parity in events - this one starkly shows there is a long way to go, or do people disagree with me? 



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Yes, equal prize money is an issue, not to mention the wonky points system. This 500 tournament is meaningless as it does not award the winner 500 points! I think it's 470 or 480 for some bizarre reason. Same with the 1000 and 250 tournaments.

Sometimes the difference in prize money is very stark. Even between tournaments of the same level and same same time.

Is there any sport where women out earn men?


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If you have separate governing bodies, and one says they want to focus on giving prize money to tournament winners, and the other says they want to share the money more equitably between tournament participants, I see no problem with that. The problem comes when two pots are different sizes.

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I guess my point here is youve two events of the same public status ie 500 level, with the same venue, at the same time, and with the same apparently title and sponsors and with a womens event with a stronger entry on rankings and they get 1/3rd of the money.

I could look back and no doubt Rome and Madrid are the same issue, but this just feels very stark and wrong and Im surprised the sponsors signed up to it. As a prize structure. Citi Bank certainly - maybe Mubudala from the UAE shouldnt surprise me.

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I guess my point here is youve two events of the same public status ie 500 level, with the same venue, at the same time, and with the same apparently title and sponsors and with a womens event with a stronger entry on rankings and they get 1/3rd of the money.

I could look back and no doubt Rome and Madrid are the same issue, but this just feels very stark and wrong and Im surprised the sponsors signed up to it. As a prize structure. Citi Bank certainly - maybe Mubudala from the UAE shouldnt surprise me.

Fair enough, but I think the joy (?!) of having two totally separate governing bodies is they can have different priorities (money for winners Vs first round losers, for instance). What is key is that players have input into those priorities in both bodies. 



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An interesting discussion.
From the respective websites - the ATP total prize money is $2,178,980 and the WTA total prize money is $780,367.
So much for equality ! They really shouldn't be classifying this as a WTA500 if they can't do better than this.

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First round losers - the men get $7,855 but the women actually get a little more $8,320 so the WTA is trying.

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Not this argument again. They are different sports with mostly the same rules. Women's tennis and men's tennis. (To say nothing of junior tennis, wheelchair tennis, senior tennis ...)

If equality is mandatory, have a single open tournament that anyone can enter like they do in Scrabble or chess.

... but then some would consider that discriminatory.

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christ wrote:

Not this argument again. They are different sports with mostly the same rules. Women's tennis and men's tennis. (To say nothing of junior tennis, wheelchair tennis, senior tennis ...)

If equality is mandatory, have a single open tournament that anyone can enter like they do in Scrabble or chess.

... but then some would consider that discriminatory.

Have you suffered a recent blow to the head?



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