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Entry Week 1 - 02/01/2023


With less than a week to go before the first one starts, still no public info about the points for the new 40k tournaments that I can see.

Presumably the players have been told!

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Ali Gray out of Oieras

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jb288 wrote:

With less than a week to go before the first one starts, still no public info about the points for the new 40k tournaments that I can see.

Presumably the players have been told!


 Youd hope the players know. I do wonder if the 25Ks will drop in points to create a gap for it.



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Streaming/TV availabilty for this week - according to Tennis on Telly

29 Dec
United Cup: Tennis TV and tournament official streaming channels.

2 Jan
ATP Adelaide 1: Tennis TV only
ATP Pune: Amazon Prime Video
WTA Adelaide 1: APV
WTA Auckland: APV

Not sure about the United CUp yet - will have to check the official website and come back with an update.

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Madadman wrote:
jb288 wrote:

With less than a week to go before the first one starts, still no public info about the points for the new 40k tournaments that I can see.

Presumably the players have been told!


 Youd hope the players know. I do wonder if the 25Ks will drop in points to create a gap for it.


 As well as quite a time ago proposing a 40K tournament with a drop in points for the 25Ks I recall I did set out some rough points structure for any new 40K, fitting in between reduced 25K points and existing 60K points.. 

I'll try and dig up my previous posts up if the WTA need any further help in bringing more sense to things, having got so far 

Hopefully W40s will add ranking points on the following Monday, ie. unlike the week's delay for 25Ks and 15Ks.



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indiana wrote:

Madadman wrote:
jb288 wrote:

With less than a week to go before the first one starts, still no public info about the points for the new 40k tournaments that I can see.

Presumably the players have been told!


 Youd hope the players know. I do wonder if the 25Ks will drop in points to create a gap for it.


 As well as quite a time ago proposing a 40K tournament with a drop in points for the 25Ks I recall I did set out some rough points structure for any new 40K, fitting in between reduced 25K points and existing 60K points.. 

I'll try and dig up my previous posts up if the WTA need any further help in bringing more sense to things, having got so far 

Hopefully W40s will add ranking points on the following Monday, ie. unlike the week's delay for 25Ks and 15Ks.




They will

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What's the rationale behind saying 25k points would need to drop?

If so, the LTA's 25k-only strategy will no longer be fit for many of our mid-level players.

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jb288 wrote:

What's the rationale behind saying 25k points would need to drop?

If so, the LTA's 25k-only strategy will no longer be fit for many of our mid-level players.


 The W25s have long been a category where the prize money against points has always seemed very anomalous compared to other levels and men's futures, and has actually got more anomalous over the years with other changes

It is a level that should long ago have had either higher prize money or less points. 50 points for a 25K event is pretty silly and must have complicated rhe tournament choices for many players over the years.

We have for the women : 15Ks with winner's points 10 then 25Ks offering 50 points, 60Ks offering 80 points and 80Ks offering 115 points.

For the men the 15Ks offer 15 points and the 25Ks offer 25 points and these are true futures compared to the women's 25Ks where the points on offer have usually attracted relatively stronger fields in spite of the low prize money.

With the addition of women's 40Ks, we could maybe rearrange the points along the lines of a logical progression such as ;:

15Ks - winner 10 points

25Ks - winner 30 points

40Ks - winner 60 points

60Ks - winner 80 points

80Ks - winner 115 points

rather than leaving all the existing levels unchanged and squeezing the new 40Ks in between ( 25K - 50 points and 60Ks - 80 points )

with earlier round exits for 25Ks reduced by about the same proportion.

Yes, if something like that happened the LTA may need to reassess the range of events it puts on but I do think points changes are needed for the above reasons.



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indiana wrote:
jb288 wrote:

What's the rationale behind saying 25k points would need to drop?

If so, the LTA's 25k-only strategy will no longer be fit for many of our mid-level players.


 The W25s have long been a category where the prize money against points has always seemed very anomalous compared to other levels and men's futures, and has actually got more anomalous over the years with other changes

It is a level that should long ago have had either higher prize money or less points. 50 points for a 25K event is pretty silly and must have complicated rhe tournament choices for many players over the years.

We have for the women : 15Ks with winner's points 10 then 25Ks offering 50 points, 60Ks offering 80 points and 80Ks offering 115 points.

For the men the 15Ks offer 15 points and the 25Ks offer 25 points and these are true futures compared to the women's 25Ks where the points on offer have usually attracted relatively stronger fields in spite of the low prize money.

With the addition of women's 40Ks, we could maybe rearrange the points along the lines of a logical progression such as ;:

15Ks - winner 10 points

25Ks - winner 30 points

40Ks - winner 60 points

60Ks - winner 80 points

80Ks - winner 115 points

rather than leaving all the existing levels unchanged and squeezing the new 40Ks in between ( 25K - 50 points and 60Ks - 80 points )

with earlier round exits for 25Ks reduced by about the same proportion.

Yes, if something like that happened the LTA may need to reassess the range of events it puts on but I do think points changes are needed for the above reasons.


 Ive not followed the debate but why not make points equal to prize level? Or is too obvious?! 



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Sounds very logical Indy - would be bizarre though if the national bodies weren't made aware of points allocations before they planned their tournaments for the coming year. I wonder if maybe there'll be a transitional year this year...

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In Adelaide Kyle plays Sinner, Andy v Korda and Jack plays a qualifier

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In Canberra Hev plays top seed Baindl, Boulter plays Han (KOR) . Winners of both play qualifiers and could meet in QF. Jodie plays anther Korean Jang in the opposite half of the draw.

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Lambda wrote:

In Canberra Hev plays top seed Baindl, Boulter plays Han (KOR) . Winners of both play qualifiers and could meet in QF. Jodie plays anther Korean Jang in the opposite half of the draw.


 And in qualifying its Kartal v Gasanova, and Miyazaki v Minnen



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In Canberra men's challenger Broady plays Alexis Galarneau

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