Greatest Players of All Time - according to Tennis Abstract

GAMEOVER · Pro player

RE: Greatest Players of All Time - according to Tennis Abstract

jsackmann · Social player

>No, Im sure it is largely on court - Jeff wrote that in some ties on his scoring system he has used doubles to break the tie, and in one or two cases moved players based on their off court achievements.

Yep. Even those minor things don't really apply to this part of the list. The closer to #1, the more space between players, at least in general. If memory serves, Kitty Godfree and Louise Brough were two who were essentially tied for a place, and got bumped up because of their doubles. There were probably a couple more. Originally, I was tempted to move up people like Ashe/Althea/etc, but one you start down that road, there's no end to it.

38 will be on your lists, and 37 will DEFINITELY be on your lists! (36, and especially 35, I'll be curious to see.)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

jsackmann wrote:
>No, Im sure it is largely on court - Jeff wrote that in some ties on his scoring system he has used doubles to break the tie, and in one or two cases moved players based on their off court achievements.

Yep. Even those minor things don't really apply to this part of the list. The closer to #1, the more space between players, at least in general. If memory serves, Kitty Godfree and Louise Brough were two who were essentially tied for a place, and got bumped up because of their doubles. There were probably a couple more. Originally, I was tempted to move up people like Ashe/Althea/etc, but one you start down that road, there's no end to it.

38 will be on your lists, and 37 will DEFINITELY be on your lists! (36, and especially 35, I'll be curious to see.)

Thanks Jeff - looking forward to all of those!

GAMEOVER · Pro player

We have no. 38 and it is Andre Agassi. I rated him higher at no. 13.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

GAMEOVER wrote:
We have no. 38 and it is Andre Agassi. I rated him higher at no. 13.

Wow! Now I was a massive Andre fan but I had hIm 47th!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2022/10/04/the-tennis-128-no-38-andre-agassi/

Another really interesting read, thanks Jeff.

The Wimbledon final over Goran was for me the most exciting match. Agassi happily let ace after age
Fly past him and just waited for the odd chance and boom- it was the best returning display in a single match Ive ever witnessed. And much of the serves he took were inside the baseline. Crazy eye hand coordination as is mentioned.

My only comment would be I felt that final deserved
More of a part in the story , but I guess being British Im too Wimbledon centric !

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

This NY Times article looks at the question of who of Federer, Djokovic and Nadal was the best ever and fails to provide an answer ! Or maybe 13 different answers

www.nytimes.com/2022/09/16/sports/tennis/federer-stats-nadal-djokovic-career-numbers.html

GAMEOVER · Pro player

JonH comes home wrote:
jsackmann wrote:
>No, Im sure it is largely on court - Jeff wrote that in some ties on his scoring system he has used doubles to break the tie, and in one or two cases moved players based on their off court achievements.

Yep. Even those minor things don't really apply to this part of the list. The closer to #1, the more space between players, at least in general. If memory serves, Kitty Godfree and Louise Brough were two who were essentially tied for a place, and got bumped up because of their doubles. There were probably a couple more. Originally, I was tempted to move up people like Ashe/Althea/etc, but one you start down that road, there's no end to it.

38 will be on your lists, and 37 will DEFINITELY be on your lists! (36, and especially 35, I'll be curious to see.)
Thanks Jeff - looking forward to all of those!

We have no.37 who is Fred Perry. I had him no. 29.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

GAMEOVER wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
jsackmann wrote:
>No, Im sure it is largely on court - Jeff wrote that in some ties on his scoring system he has used doubles to break the tie, and in one or two cases moved players based on their off court achievements.

Yep. Even those minor things don't really apply to this part of the list. The closer to #1, the more space between players, at least in general. If memory serves, Kitty Godfree and Louise Brough were two who were essentially tied for a place, and got bumped up because of their doubles. There were probably a couple more. Originally, I was tempted to move up people like Ashe/Althea/etc, but one you start down that road, there's no end to it.

38 will be on your lists, and 37 will DEFINITELY be on your lists! (36, and especially 35, I'll be curious to see.)
Thanks Jeff - looking forward to all of those!
We have no.37 who is Fred Perry. I had him no. 29.

Indeed , Fred is also on my list and also at 29!

https://www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2022/10/05/the-tennis-128-no-37-fred-perry/

question is, will he be top Brit or will Andy get on the list? I rated Andy lower at 49 so it will be interesting to see - I cant imagine he will not be top 128 and thus he has to be above Perry, I would Guess.

indiana · Tennis legend

I would most bcertainly assume Andy is on the list so will indeed beat Fred Perry.

It will kind of show that based on who he has beaten, the 'big 3' a fair amount plus pretty much dominating the rest in his era, he has had very unfortunate timing of his career re collecting many more Slam titles.

I too earlier guesstimated Andy lower, in the 40s, but the more I thought about it, objectively on his win / loss record and who against, then he deserves to be rather higher.

Go Jeff and EL0 ( err assuming you are going to list him sometime! )

indiana · Tennis legend

Anyway that's 38.and 37. I wonder who 36, and especially 35, will be

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Anyway that's 38.and 37. I wonder who 36, and especially 35, will be

Ive got 34 of my top 50 still to be named in Jeffs list and expect most of those will be named - Id be very surprised if any of them arent - so there will be certainly 2 at least that Jeff names who will not be in my list - maybe it will be 36 and 35!

The TA site shows Jeff plans to name 36 today

jsackmann · Social player

>My only comment would be I felt that final deserved more of a part in the story

You might be right -- the closer we get to the top of the list, the more there is to say about the players, and more I will have to leave out.

>maybe 13 different answers

sounds about right!

>I would most certainly assume Andy is on the list

Andy who?

(I kid...)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

One thing I would be very interested in, Jeff, is if you plan to unveil the "score" your algorithm gave each player, to understand how close they are and where the big gaps are? That may be too simplistic but I would be very interested to see that eg 280 out of 300, or however you are scoring them on your 3 broad criteria. (probably more likely to be scores of 6000 plus if you are using ELO as the scoring mechanism x3 criteria areas)?

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

I was thinking about something else, Jeff, if you read this. Using your ELO rating is it possible to rate the strength of a tournament , maybe the average score per player. And be able to show which is the star strongest or weakest event at each level of the tours in a given season ? Presumably as a process it would be quite straightforward and something that could be automated as the entry list is applied to an event?

Not wishing to create work but thought it might be an interesting thing to show? Maybe a bigger project is to calculate the highest ranked tournament of all time ! Just kidding !