Coronavirus - general, non tennis related

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Coronavirus - general, non tennis related

paulisi · Tennis legend

Vaccines will just reduce the risk of serious illness, they generally don't stop you getting the virus

The new variants are more of a risk as the immune system will not recognise them, hence why you can catch covid multiple times and they are likely to be different variant.

This new variant seems highly contagious, but mild symptoms from all accounts. What we need is a new variant that is not very contagious and has mild symptoms. That way the virus will peter out naturally or turn into the common flu.

As for Boris - he is getting told by the treasury to get the pre Christmas tax revenues in, but the experts say refrain from gatherings, so he has gone halfway to appease both.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
Vaccines will just reduce the risk of serious illness, they generally don't stop you getting the virus

The new variants are more of a risk as the immune system will not recognise them, hence why you can catch covid multiple times and they are likely to be different variant.

This new variant seems highly contagious, but mild symptoms from all accounts. What we need is a new variant that is not very contagious and has mild symptoms. That way the virus will peter out naturally or turn into the common flu.

As for Boris - he is getting told by the treasury to get the pre Christmas tax revenues in, but the experts say refrain from gatherings, so he has gone halfway to appease both.

I think that is very misleading.

Yes, some/quite a few people will still get the virus (especially those with immune problems so the vaccine never produced a good antibody response in the first place).

But all the Israeli data (excellent quality), as reported in the BMJ, as well as UK data US, and other decent sources, as per the Lancet and others, show that there is a far lower chance of even catching covid in the first place if you're properly vaccinated. (And, yes, a clearly far reduced rate of serious illness if you do catch it, as well).

However, I agree, if the new variant is more contagious but less serious that would be excellent news - it should 'crowd' out the more nasty strains and, as as you say, leave us (finally) with something more resembling flu.

indiana · Tennis legend

Indeed re the fact that generally people are very much less likely to catch covid if vaccinated!!

Yes, it would be very good if the new variant proves to be less serious whatever people's vaccination status.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Indeed re the fact that generally people are very much less likely to catch covid if vaccinated!!

Yes, it would be very good if the new variant proves to be less serious whatever people's vaccination status.

It does look like the Omicron variant is no more dangerous than the Delta variant and more importantly perhaps, equally susceptible to the vaccine.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-most-omicron-cases-are-mild-and-theres-no-evidence-to-suggest-vaccines-may-be-less-effective-against-the-variant-says-who-12483729

Good news.

emmsie69 · ATP level

With all the fuss about Omicron I remembered reading the following article back in September archive.ph/YLJB0

Elegant Point · Satellite level

You cant make it up..

Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey said snogging under the mistletoe should be avoided with people you dont already know.

Sajid Javid has added to the Christmas confusion, as he told ITV News: People can snog who they wish

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer earlier said: I dont think its the role of Government to dictate who people can kiss or not kiss, and I was quite surprised to see that suggestion come out of Government.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sajid-javid-snog-family-tradition_uk_61a92fc4e4b07fe20124f9f5

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

In one of the more bizarre interpretations of the new restrictions policy, a Nº10 spokesperson confirmed in a lobby briefing today that you do not need to wear a mask in Tesco if you are singing.

Source Tom Newton Dunn

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1468926687287070735

Elegant Point · Satellite level

The table below says it all..

Table 1: The age-standardised mortality rate for deaths involving COVID-19 is 32 times higher for unvaccinated people than for those who received the second dose
Age-standardised mortality rates for all deaths and deaths involving COVID-19, England, deaths occurring between 2 January and 24 September 2021
Vaccination status	Deaths involving COVID-19	All deaths
	Age-standardised mortality rate per 100,000 person-years (95% confidence interval)
Unvaccinated	849.7 (840.3, 859.2)	2,187.1 (2,172.2, 2,202.0)
Received only the first dose, less than 21 days ago	192.4 (182.4, 202.4)	811.9 (793.4, 830.4)
Received only the first dose, at least 21 days ago	105.3 (102.8, 107.8)	1,124.3 (1,115.9, 1,132.7)
Received the second dose, less than 21 days ago	7.2 (6.1, 8.2)	464.6 (455.8, 473.4)
Received the second dose, at least 21 days ago	26.2 (25.4, 27.1)	783.6 (779.1, 788.0)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021

christ · Futures qualifying

So the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have received their second dose less than 21 days ago is 457.4 per 100,000, while the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have not been vaccinated is 1,330.4.

Does this mean that vaccination saves you from falling under buses?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

christ wrote:
So the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have received their second dose less than 21 days ago is 457.4 per 100,000, while the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have not been vaccinated is 1,330.4.

Does this mean that vaccination saves you from falling under buses?

Could be smile

Smarter people have the vaccine. Smarter people don't fall under buses.

(Ducks for cover....... biggrin )

christ · Futures qualifying

Coup Droit wrote:
christ wrote:
So the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have received their second dose less than 21 days ago is 457.4 per 100,000, while the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have not been vaccinated is 1,330.4.

Does this mean that vaccination saves you from falling under buses?
Could be
Smarter people have the vaccine. Smarter people don't fall under buses.
(Ducks for cover.......)

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Coup Droit wrote:
christ wrote:
So the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have received their second dose less than 21 days ago is 457.4 per 100,000, while the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have not been vaccinated is 1,330.4.

Does this mean that vaccination saves you from falling under buses?
Could be
Smarter people have the vaccine. Smarter people don't fall under buses.
(Ducks for cover.......)

Or those that are vaccinated are less risk adverse?

IMO the pandemic is definitely a reason to keep science on the school curriculum until age 16. I think some people are not taking up the vaccine due to poor understanding. Builder told me he didnt need the vaccine as had worked clearing drains and been exposed to every bacteria known - the clue is in the name, Corona VIRUS !!

Another popular misconception is that antibiotics can be used to treat viral infections- they cant. Many GPs are effectively bullied by patients into giving out antibiotics for viral infections. Although I am informed this is happening less now many appointments are virtual.

indiana · Tennis legend

Most of the covid patients in hospital ICUs are apparently unvaccinated. So sad, so ruddy annoying.

The most serious figures are of course much lower than pre vaccine days but as long as still so many are ending up in hospital and particularly in ICU, with the knock on serious / deadly delays for people with other conditions, I continue to see no excuse not to take the vaccines and play your part for society - unless a true personal medical reason not to.

Some folk may feel they are invulnerable. What they are certainly not invulnerable to is, if unvaccinated, being more liable to catch it and passing it on with potential serious consequences. Well, overall just by sheer numbers there will be many further avoidable serious consequences. Don't be your part of these.

Preaching generally to the converted I assume here. If not with some, just do it.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

13,000 operations or so cancelled in the last two months in the UK.

(THis on top of large swags of time where no elective operations were being done)

That's a LOT of people living in awful pain from arthritis etc who can't have their hip replacements.

Many operations need the patient to pass by ICU before being admitted onto a normal ward. Others cannot be done if there are no ICU beds just in case there are complications and such a bed is needed.

A very high number of those in ICU with covid are non-vaccinated (my sister is a hospital nurse).

There is a serious argument that non-vaccinated people (who do not have a medical reason) should not be given ICU care. General hospital care, yes, but not ICU for covid care. (I am a hugely liberal, human rights softy but it's all a question of balance).

And it's not the same as smoking and obesity etc which involves a lot of social factors.