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RE: Coronavirus - general, non tennis related


Coup Droit wrote:
christ wrote:

So the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have received their second dose less than 21 days ago is 457.4 per 100,000, while the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have not been vaccinated is 1,330.4.

Does this mean that vaccination saves you from falling under buses?


 Could be smile

Smarter people have the vaccine. Smarter people don't fall under buses. 

(Ducks for cover.......biggrin)


Or those that are vaccinated are less risk adverse?

IMO the pandemic is definitely a reason to keep science on the school curriculum until age 16. I think some people are not taking up the vaccine due to poor understanding. Builder told me he didnt need the vaccine as had worked clearing drains and been exposed to every bacteria known - the clue is in the name, Corona VIRUS !!  

Another popular misconception is that antibiotics can be used to treat viral infections- they cant. Many GPs are effectively  bullied by patients  into giving out antibiotics for viral infections. Although I am informed this is happening less now many appointments are virtual.



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Most of the covid patients in hospital ICUs are apparently unvaccinated. So sad, so ruddy annoying.

The most serious figures are of course much lower than pre vaccine days but as long as still so many are ending up in hospital and particularly in ICU, with the knock on serious / deadly delays for people with other conditions, I continue to see no excuse not to take the vaccines and play your part for society - unless a true personal medical reason not to.

Some folk may feel they are invulnerable. What they are certainly not invulnerable to is, if unvaccinated, being more liable to catch it and passing it on with potential serious consequences. Well, overall just by sheer numbers there will be many further avoidable serious consequences. Don't be your part of these.

Preaching generally to the converted I assume here. If not with some, just do it.



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13,000 operations or so cancelled in the last two months in the UK.

(THis on top of large swags of time where no elective operations were being done)

That's a LOT of people living in awful pain from arthritis etc who can't have their hip replacements.

Many operations need the patient to pass by ICU before being admitted onto a normal ward. Others cannot be done if there are no ICU beds just in case there are complications and such a bed is needed.

A very high number of those in ICU with covid are non-vaccinated (my sister is a hospital nurse).

There is a serious argument that non-vaccinated people (who do not have a medical reason) should not be given ICU care. General hospital care, yes, but not ICU for covid care. (I am a hugely liberal, human rights softy but it's all a question of balance).

And it's not the same as smoking and obesity etc which involves a lot of social factors.



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We have had our 25th anniversary trip to New York booked since March to go over new year. Decided to postpone today. V sad but cant take risk of catching it and getting it out there and not being able to return - New York is about a week behind London and advice is things will start locking down in terms of attractions. Not worth the money and time now.

V sad

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Feel sorry for you, Jon. It's awful when you've been looking forward to something for a long time.

So many of my friends have had their Xmas plans thrown into a complete mess by the change in French rules for travel (no non-essential entry or departure to UK) A fair number will now books fights to neighbouring countries and be going via Spain or Germany or wherever. But a lot have just cancelled. And so people will be on their own at Christmas and all the food and plans and games and what have you are just flushed down the toilet.

As you say, it's all very sad....

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Sorry to hear that crycry



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Strongbow wrote:

Sorry to hear that crycry


 All 4 of us had planned to go for 5 days/nights. Thankfully we havent paid for the hotel, but wed paid for flights and attractions to visit. Im sure we can get the flights delayed to use another time (as opposed to money back) but attractions may be difficult. 

the Chances of catching Omicron are too high. If not before we go, then out there. Wed then be stuck in a new york hotel for 10 days, costing an arm and a leg, plus disruption to work, university etc (im self employed so time is money) . Added to that we cant be sure we will actually enjoy new york with complete freedom. And for 4 of us, we would spend an arm and a leg for that privilege. 

thanks for the nice comments but we will delay and try again another time later next year. 



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I think the main problem is that we live in a very privileged era where previous vaccination campaigns for TB/Smallpox/Measles etc have been so successful that we have been left with a population with no direct experience of the pre vaccination era. Add to that SM/MSM and an awful lot of morons and this is the result. Personally I don't bother getting into a debate about it. As frustrating as it is, I have no control over other peoples decisions.
I will say that I don't agree with the idea that the government are sending mixed messages, that's entirely on the media interpreting announcements to create headlines. In future any governments faced with a similar issue should set up helplines and repeatedly push home the need to get information from official channels only, not facebook, not the media, not even the BBC. I find it shocking that even now 21 months later people still don't grasp what they need to do to minimise their chances of infection. Having said that, I went 21 months without a close contact and now a week before Xmas have had 1.

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Not like Boris to procrastinate regarding covid.

Evidently he and Sunak were too busy to take part in a COBRA meeting attended by the Scotland, Wales and N Ireland leaders with the covid situation the basic agenda. Sturgeon gie impressed. And of course, being her, let that be known. To be fair though the current huge number of new cases issue isn't going to magically disappear, Boris.

Whether the restrictions being introduced in Scotland and Wales make sense or not, it seems they have almost felt forced to act unilaterally rather than wait about for the UK government's intentions regarding England.



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For once, I agree with Boris (although I think it could be handled better)

The Cambridge Institute's very recent lab findings explain why Omicrom is a lot less dangerous (because it's the only variant that does not cause cell fusion in the lungs). To be confirmed, but very promising.

The data from South Africa is not conclusive (and obviously not A1 applicable to the UK) but still decent.

And the cases are not going up anywhere near as much as expected - they've been stable for 5 days in something that was supposed to rise pretty much exponentially. And hospital admissions have only risen slightly.

Living in the pesky, plague City that is London, I actually agree with no lockdown (although we're not far off, if you look at shops and restaurants etc)

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If anyone interested in facts and figures, the link below is updated daily- S Africa tab is interesting

data.spectator.co.uk/category/vaccines

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Omicron is just a contagious common cold as we were first advised....

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CHRISTMAS LECTURES 2021:

Going viral: How Covid changed science forever
In the 2021 CHRISTMAS LECTURES, Englands Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Jonathan Van-Tam will be joined by a host of top UK scientists to take a deep dive into the science of viruses. On BBC Four 28, 29 and 30 December at 8pm.

Interested to see how Van-Tam presents this

www.rigb.org/christmas-lectures/2021-going-viral-how-covid-changed-science-forever

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Got boosted yesterday. I am now 2 * Pfizer + 1 * Moderna.

No adverse reaction (so far).

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Knighthood for Chris Whitty and Jonathan Van Tam. Well done, at least, for being in position when a pandemic came along.

On another matter I hear Johnson saying that these that feel invulnerable should still be getting a vaccine because they could still be one of these that end up in hospital. I didn't hear mention that they could be someone that causes someone else, possible truly more vulnerable, to end up in hospital. But I guess your appeals to folk may be linked to your personal outlook on things such as selfishness and general consideration.

It's the possible effect on others that personally most means I have no time at all for these that don't have a medical reason for not getting vaccinated. And the direct and knock-on effects on the health services caused by all the people that directly get seriously ill or cause others to get seriously ill, mainly through their own actions or inaction



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