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Britain as a men's doubles powerhouse


There's no obvious home for this article from Stu Fraser's regular "The Slice" column in today's Times, so I thought I'd start this thread, which Jaggy can safely avoid!  wink

Canadian coach, Louis Cayer, who turned Britain into a doubles powerhouse

There are many areas in British tennis that are in need of much improvement, but doubles is certainly not one of them. With Joe Salisbury and Jamie Murray both contesting grand-slam finals in Melbourne this weekend, the Australian Open has given us another indication of how this country punches above its weight when four players are on a court rather than two.  When asking several figures involved with the British game as to why this is the case, the name of Louis Cayer is repeatedly mentioned. The 66-year-old Canadian has worked with the Lawn Tennis Association (LTA) since 2007 and has a wealth of experience as a coach, stretching back to his teenage years. Judy Murray asked Cayer to work with Jamie when he was 20 years old and he has since gone on to win seven grand-slam titles

Cayer, who acts as an adviser for players alongside their regular coaches, will sit in Rod Laver Arena twice this weekend, watching Salisbury take part in the men's doubles final and Murray in the mixed final. These are the fruits of his labour, as well as the total of eight British men ranked in the top 100 of the world doubles rankings - Salisbury, Murray, Neal Skupski, Luke Bambridge, Ken Skupski, Dominic Inglot, Jonny O'Mara and Andy Murray. Only the United States can match that. "All the British guys are doing so well," Salisbury said. "Louis had has a big impact. He comes to the big events, we train with him back home and in between tournaments. He's an incredible coach, the best coach I have worked with. Not just in terms of the doubles side with the tactics, but also technically and mentally as well. He's improved everybody's game a lot."

Cayer worked in his home country for many years and captained the Canadian Davis Cup team from 1994 to 2000. And then, at the Monte Carlo Masters in 2006, came a moment that would ultimately transform the fortunes of doubles in Britain.  Cayer, working at the time with the Israeli pair of Jonathan Erlich and Andy Ram, was spotted on the practice court by Judy Murray, who was fascinated by his methods. She asked him if she could help her elder son, Jamie, aged 20 at the time and ranked outside the top 200. Jamie has since won seven grand-slam titles and spent nine weeks as world No 1.

"His ability to improve a player is unparalleled," Jamie said. "He teaches feels [did Jamie mean "feel"?] as opposed to technical thoughts, because when you are out there competing, it is more about the feeling of the technique rather than trying to remember to have your elbow at a certain angle or to bend your knees 'this much'. He teaches a lot about rhythm and timing. This helps you perform. If your head is cluttered with loads of technical points, then it's just not going to leave you free to play."

Some coach! 

 



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As I think I have posted on here somewhere before, I have had the pleasure of meeting Louis Cayer on several occasions. I don't need to talk about his coaching prowess as the results and comments speak for themselves.

But what I will say is that apart from being a top coach, he is quite simply a downright good guy.

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There was a very interesting episode on Kris Soutar's podcast with Louis a couple of years back. From recreational player to park coach to the best doubles coach in the world.

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Thanks for this SC,  good article and Cayer clearly is a great coach, and it also shows Judy as a great spotter of talent. I'd like to see Judy as performance director one day. 

 

I recall Dan Evans commenting on Louis Cayer when he was touted as potential performance director a few years ago, saying that just because you're a genius at doubles coaching a doesn't mean you have any singles credibility. Or something like that. Probably true and typical Dan, but doesn't diminish Cayers ability 



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I recall Dan Evans commenting on Louis Cayer when he was touted as potential performance director a few years ago, saying that just because you're a genius at doubles coaching a doesn't mean you have any singles credibility. Or something like that. Probably true and typical Dan, but doesn't diminish Cayers ability 


I wondered how long it would take for someone to bring that one up!  It wasn't even "a few years ago", it was last January



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JonH comes home wrote:

I recall Dan Evans commenting on Louis Cayer when he was touted as potential performance director a few years ago, saying that just because you're a genius at doubles coaching a doesn't mean you have any singles credibility. Or something like that. Probably true and typical Dan, but doesn't diminish Cayers ability 


I wondered how long it would take for someone to bring that one up!  It wasn't even "a few years ago", it was last January


 How time flies ! 

 

I'm a big fan of Dan and of GB doubles , so get his point, and dont think it diminishes Cayers ability at all. 



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Wholly correct and apposite comments from Evans imo.

The ultimate goal in tennis is winning men's singles titles. Everything else is froth.

Britain has always been relatively strong in doubles because we had, or did, a doubles culture. Cayer is presumably doing good work to strengthen that tradition. That shouldn't become an excuse to cover up for the gross failings in what matters most.

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This is the most pointless thread.

Firstly, I have nothing against, the likes of Jamie Murray, Inglot, Skupski's and Sailisbury, and congrats to them for success.

But saying GB is amazing at doubles is like saying England are amazing at test cricket. The fact is the rest of the world no longer cares for test cricket, top players skip it, stadia are empty. But Uk are in denial, that T20 is the now the most important format. Like this, nobody else cares about doubles tennis. Dan Evans was correct with his spat with Jamie.

Sorry, I just cannot celebrate this.
These players are not even that good. When Davis Cup,or Olympics comes up and the world top 30 singles players, start to play doubles, they wipe the floor of these doubles specialists. #

A UK singles player being able to break the top 100, is far more a greater achievement than a doubles player winning many grand slams. Norrie should be celebrated more than these doubless players.

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Vandenburg wrote:

This is the most pointless thread.


No more pointless than any of yours.  No one's forcing you to read it.  Chacun à son goûtwink



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Well, I for one am very supportive of our doubles guys and think it is a totally valid part of the game. Those not interested need not read.

Similarly mixed, yes I realise it is some way off top level singles, but it also interests me and every power to those who have success in it.

Anyway,

In Montepellier, Jamie and Neal and also Dom are playing - Ken and Gonzalez seem not to have made it. Not sure if Jamie will get over there in good time but not pulled out at time of draw.

Jonny also seems to have pulled out of Pune as well

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In deference of doubles....

Never used to watch many doubles matches - I like someone to back and have been following Joe Salisbury and really enjoying his matches. Technology advances (strings/rackets) and rule change by the ATP and WTA (no ad scoring) IMO make it more exciting and less predictable to watch.

Are doubles player merely singles players who are not good enough to make it as a singles player? Perhaps - Joe is a player who switched from singles to doubles after illness and injury. Doubles is not as physical. Doubles players may rely on reflex volleying, big serves and smashing, but aren't shots from singles equally valid in a game of doubles?

Would a pair of ranked singles players routinely beat a top doubles pairing? Who cares? We seem to have some British players who are really good at doubles, celebrate their successes.......

My question is what would make doubles more popular?


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Yes, I think it is fair to say that doubles specialists are in general relatively failed singles players, whether that may involve physical reasons such as with Joe or simply not being good enough and say ceasing to find it rewarding, both from an enjoyment and financial standpoint, as Luke has explained.

But that said, I think there should still be room for condiderable admiration for the doubles coaching skills of Louis Cayer, for how he has helped develop the current batch of GB men's doubles players, and of course much credit to the players too.



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Some doubles players switch due to injuries, Henri Kontinen being one of them

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Compare and contrast the success of GB men with GB ladies.  Couldn't Louis be persuaded to give some time to the women?



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Compare and contrast the success of GB men with GB ladies.  Couldn't Louis be persuaded to give some time to the women?


He has, he worked with Joss and Anna in the past.



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