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indiana · Tennis legend

Nix wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
The 10 is top 250 is relying solely on Billy in the next 4 weeks of challengers he is playing getting to a a few quarters and maybe a semi.

The 20 in 500 needs one or two wins max from Kyle at ATP level and Giles, Johannus and Jan to win an ITF title.
Looking at Billy's points until the end of the year, he's got 62 points due to drop off. He currently has 162 points. Number 250 is currently 203 points. So if that was to remain the same points requirement, he'd need 62 + 41 = 103 points to be in the top 250 at the end of the year. Let's hope he keeps winning. He's done so well to get so far in the last year.

Billy may well have to deliver quicker than 4 weeks since as Jaggy previously noted Ali Gray has 20 points dropping off on 26/09 and a further 20 points dropping off on 03/10.

I think in the longer run the 20 in the top 500 vs 10 in the top 250 may be a lot to do with Kyle in first of all getting into the top 500 and then how long he stays there without progressing to the top 250 while other players hopefully join the top 500.

Nix · Futures qualifying

indiana wrote:
Nix wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
The 10 is top 250 is relying solely on Billy in the next 4 weeks of challengers he is playing getting to a a few quarters and maybe a semi.

The 20 in 500 needs one or two wins max from Kyle at ATP level and Giles, Johannus and Jan to win an ITF title.
Looking at Billy's points until the end of the year, he's got 62 points due to drop off. He currently has 162 points. Number 250 is currently 203 points. So if that was to remain the same points requirement, he'd need 62 + 41 = 103 points to be in the top 250 at the end of the year. Let's hope he keeps winning. He's done so well to get so far in the last year.
Billy may well have to deliver quicker than 4 weeks since as Jaggy previously noted Ali Gray has 20 points dropping off on 26/09 and a further 20 points dropping off on 03/10.
I think in the longer run the 20 in the top 500 vs 10 in the top 250 may be a lot to do with Kyle in first of all getting into the top 500 and then how long he stays there without progressing to the top 250 while other players hopefully join the top 500.

I'm feeling quite tense about the whole thing smile

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Nix wrote:
indiana wrote:
Nix wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
The 10 is top 250 is relying solely on Billy in the next 4 weeks of challengers he is playing getting to a a few quarters and maybe a semi.

The 20 in 500 needs one or two wins max from Kyle at ATP level and Giles, Johannus and Jan to win an ITF title.
Looking at Billy's points until the end of the year, he's got 62 points due to drop off. He currently has 162 points. Number 250 is currently 203 points. So if that was to remain the same points requirement, he'd need 62 + 41 = 103 points to be in the top 250 at the end of the year. Let's hope he keeps winning. He's done so well to get so far in the last year.
Billy may well have to deliver quicker than 4 weeks since as Jaggy previously noted Ali Gray has 20 points dropping off on 26/09 and a further 20 points dropping off on 03/10.
I think in the longer run the 20 in the top 500 vs 10 in the top 250 may be a lot to do with Kyle in first of all getting into the top 500 and then how long he stays there without progressing to the top 250 while other players hopefully join the top 500.
I'm feeling quite tense about the whole thing

You're feeling quite tense ? How do you think Jaggy and I are feeling ? wink

Nix · Futures qualifying

Bob in Spain wrote:
Nix wrote:
indiana wrote:
Nix wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
The 10 is top 250 is relying solely on Billy in the next 4 weeks of challengers he is playing getting to a a few quarters and maybe a semi.

The 20 in 500 needs one or two wins max from Kyle at ATP level and Giles, Johannus and Jan to win an ITF title.
Looking at Billy's points until the end of the year, he's got 62 points due to drop off. He currently has 162 points. Number 250 is currently 203 points. So if that was to remain the same points requirement, he'd need 62 + 41 = 103 points to be in the top 250 at the end of the year. Let's hope he keeps winning. He's done so well to get so far in the last year.
Billy may well have to deliver quicker than 4 weeks since as Jaggy previously noted Ali Gray has 20 points dropping off on 26/09 and a further 20 points dropping off on 03/10.
I think in the longer run the 20 in the top 500 vs 10 in the top 250 may be a lot to do with Kyle in first of all getting into the top 500 and then how long he stays there without progressing to the top 250 while other players hopefully join the top 500.
I'm feeling quite tense about the whole thing
You're feeling quite tense ? How do you think Jaggy and I are feeling ?

-- Edited by Nix on Wednesday 7th of September 2022 06:24:43 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Post US-Open, Cam reaches a new CH of ATP 8, Jack Draper breaks into the top-50, Andy is back in the top-50, and Paul Jubb breaks into the top-200 for the first time

Elsewhere, Stuart Parker soars up 113 places, to ATP 351
And Max Basing (age 19) jumps 101 places, to 765
Lots of other little CHs too

12/09/22

Top 200 and other major upward movers

8 (+1) Cameron Norrie (CH)
25 (-2) Dan Evans
43 (+8) Andy Murray
46 (+7) Jack Draper (age 20) (CH)

135 (+5) Ryan Peniston
138 (-9) Liam Broady
196 (+10) Paul Jubb (CH)
197 (+10) Jay Clarke

295 (+10) Billy Harris
351 (+113) Stuart Parker (CH)
359 (+13) Charles Broom (CH)

547 (+54) Kyle Edmund
551 (+90) Giles Hussey
765 (+101) Max Basing (age 19) (CH)

1538 (+320) Billy Blaydes (age 18) (CH)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Post US Open, Lloyd is up 4, approaching the top-20 - but there are drops for Jamie and Jonny...

Other points to note are that Giles has zoomed up into the top-500, Joe Tyler has continued his meteoric rise in doubles (he only got his first ranking in June 2022, and is now 733, and that's before last week's RU points go on) and James Mckinlay breaks into the top-1000.

Doubles: 12/09/22

Top 200 and main upward movers

1 (=) Joe Salisbury (CH)
3 (=) Neal Skupski (CH)
22 (+4) Lloyd Glasspool (CH)
32 (-18) Jamie Murray (age 36)
80 (-19) Jonny O'Mara
94 (+3) Dan Evans

124 (+3) Henry Patten (CH)
128 (+4) Julian Cash (CH)
129 (-1) Ken Skupski (age 39)
152 (=) Cam Norrie

235 (+7) Luke Johnson
353 (+47) Mark Whitehouse (CH)
447 (+44) Jay Clarke
454 (+159) Giles Hussey (CH)

558 (+56) Arthur Féry
607 (+38) Blu Baker (CH)
628 (+41) Harry Wendelken (CH)
636 (+37) Oscar Weightman (CH)
733 (+223) Joe Tyler (CH)
933 (+30) Matt Southcombe (CH)
994 (+40) James Mackinlay (CH)

1067 (+38) Liam Hignett (CH)
1140 (+217) Ewan Moore
1175 (+86) Patrick Brady (age 17) (CH)
1216 (+71) Dan Cox
1268 (+74) Marcus Willis
1343 (+105) James Markiewicz (CH)
1498 - NEW IN - David Quayle (CH)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Out of interest, in doubles, do people think its noteworthy to say someone is 36? At what age is it ? Not having a go but it feels perfectly normal nowadays for a player to be mid 30s and ranked top 100 in singles and late 30s and top 100 doubles. Or am i wrong?

SC also often highlights it and I think, really, is it that noteworthy in the modern game ?

Discuss!!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

My rule is that I highlight anyone in doubles who is 35 or over.

Same as for singles, anyone who is 21 or under.

It's not that it's 'abnormal' - indeed, it's quite normal (although not usual) for both, in that there are several examples

It's just the age that I think, for me, it becomes noteworthy

Indeed, both are about equally noteworthy in our stats

In our top-200s, we have one U21 singles player, and two doubles 35+ players.

Definitely not typical or 'usual' - it's only 1 out of 8, and 2 out of 10 - hence the noteworthiness (IMO) - but not bizarre.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
My rule is that I highlight anyone in doubles who is 35 or over.

Same as for singles, anyone who is 21 or under.

It's not that it's 'abnormal' - indeed, it's quite normal (although not usual) for both, in that there are several examples

It's just the age that I think, for me, it becomes noteworthy

Indeed, both are about equally noteworthy in our stats

In our top-200s, we have one U21 singles player, and two doubles 35+ players.

Definitely not typical or 'usual' - it's only 1 out of 8, and 2 out of 10 - hence the noteworthiness (IMO) - but not bizarre.

Cool makes sense - I just wanted to sense check what people are thinking really. I think in doubles, age is largely irrelevant until someone makes it to perhaps 38 or so, I think that is what stood out for me with Jamie; and I dont get interested in singles until maybe 35.

in womens I have no benchmark so cant really comment!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
My rule is that I highlight anyone in doubles who is 35 or over.

Same as for singles, anyone who is 21 or under.

It's not that it's 'abnormal' - indeed, it's quite normal (although not usual) for both, in that there are several examples

It's just the age that I think, for me, it becomes noteworthy

Indeed, both are about equally noteworthy in our stats

In our top-200s, we have one U21 singles player, and two doubles 35+ players.

Definitely not typical or 'usual' - it's only 1 out of 8, and 2 out of 10 - hence the noteworthiness (IMO) - but not bizarre.
Cool makes sense - I just wanted to sense check what people are thinking really. I think in doubles, age is largely irrelevant until someone makes it to perhaps 38 or so, I think that is what stood out for me with Jamie; and I dont get interested in singles until maybe 35.

in womens I have no benchmark so cant really comment!

Absolutely. It's all a bit random, I agree - someone else will see it differently - I don't think my logic is 'right' - and it's not based on stats - but I do like to see the 'family' of tennis - the old and the young - I think it makes a healthy set-up - I should add Andy's age in the singles, now he's 35 - I'll do that...

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
My rule is that I highlight anyone in doubles who is 35 or over.

Same as for singles, anyone who is 21 or under.

It's not that it's 'abnormal' - indeed, it's quite normal (although not usual) for both, in that there are several examples

It's just the age that I think, for me, it becomes noteworthy

Indeed, both are about equally noteworthy in our stats

In our top-200s, we have one U21 singles player, and two doubles 35+ players.

Definitely not typical or 'usual' - it's only 1 out of 8, and 2 out of 10 - hence the noteworthiness (IMO) - but not bizarre.
Cool makes sense - I just wanted to sense check what people are thinking really. I think in doubles, age is largely irrelevant until someone makes it to perhaps 38 or so, I think that is what stood out for me with Jamie; and I dont get interested in singles until maybe 35.

in womens I have no benchmark so cant really comment!
Absolutely. It's all a bit random, I agree - someone else will see it differently - I don't think my logic is 'right' - and it's not based on stats - but I do like to see the 'family' of tennis - the old and the young - I think it makes a healthy set-up - I should add Andy's age in the singles, now he's 35 - I'll do that...

Haha

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Nothing at the top end, obviously, in a rest week after the US Open
Paul Jubb has slipped outside the top-200 and Jay Clarke is right on the cusp, leaving our top 200 looking a little sad...
Jan and Alistair present the only real highlights of this week's single ranking

19/09/22

Top 200 and other major upward movers

8 (=) Cameron Norrie (CH)
25 (=) Dan Evans
43 (=) Andy Murray (age35)
46 (=) Jack Draper (age 20) (CH)

137 (-2) Ryan Peniston
140 (-2) Liam Broady
199 (-2) Jay Clarke

237 (+11) Alistair Gray (CH)
458 (+96) Jan Choinski
462 (+6) Henry Patten (CH)
792 (+26) Luke Johnson

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Again, very quiet at the top end but some significant moves down below that, with Henry and Julian closing in on the top-100, Aidan having a good week, as so for Harry W and several below him (including Willbomb who is back in the top-1000)

Doubles: 19/09/22

Top 100 and main upward movers

1 (=) Joe Salisbury (CH)
3 (=) Neal Skupski (CH)
22 (=) Lloyd Glasspool (CH)
32 (=) Jamie Murray (age 36)
80 (=) Jonny O'Mara
93 (+1) Dan Evans

117 (+7) Henry Patten (CH)
119 (+9) Julian Cash (CH)

336 (+60) Aidan McHugh

513 (+115) Harry Wendelken (CH)
558 (+49) Blu Baker (CH)
696 (+37) Joe Tyler (CH)
882 (+172) James Mackinlay (CH)
852 (+81) Matt Southcombe (CH)
962 (+306) Marcus Willis

1327 (+58) Ying Hou (CH)
1587 (+130) Adam Jones
2050 - NEW IN - John Horoz Garner (CH)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

All quiet in the top 100
Major crash in the 100-200 bracket as Liam drops 34 places and Jay falls out of the top 200

26/09/22

Top 200 and other major upward movers

8 (=) Cameron Norrie (CH)
25 (=) Dan Evans
47 (-4) Andy Murray (age35)
50 (-4) Jack Draper (age 20) (CH)

140 (-3) Ryan Peniston
174 (-34) Liam Broady

344 (+15) Aidan McHugh
602 (+26) Harry Wendelken (age 20) (CH)

1083 (+36) Toby Martin
1303 (+660) Sean Hodkin
1616 - NEW IN - James Davis (CH)