Wimbledon

GAMEOVER · Pro player

RE: Wimbledon

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Im interested by what , initially, will happen to say Surbiton if and when they say it hasnt got ranking points. Assuming players dont want to play a non ranking grass event at that level, would it be viable? If yes, what if people have bought tickets and want their money back as it isnt the event they expected? Or what if it
Is cancelled? Would people get their money back and who would pay that ? Would it be insured or would the LTA stump up? And for Queens where the LTA own the license, or Eastbourne ? The cost of refunds, plus obligations at this late stage for contractual payments to caterers etc, ? Would that be insured ? I doubt it , not for this reason.

Or would the Government support the events , LTA and cover
The cost?

Could also get very expensive. And I reiterate , I support the ban and would accept the consequences if necessary.

GAMEOVER · Pro player

Why are we banning the Russians and Belarus players from our tournaments but the rest of Europe is not? Should I perhaps address this question to my MP ? As an aside suppose Iga Swiatek had been Russian .

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

GAMEOVER wrote:
Why are we banning the Russians and Belarus players from our tournaments but the rest of Europe is not? Should I perhaps address this question to my MP ? As an aside suppose Iga Swiatek had been Russian .

Because Britain tends to take a very much more principled position on these types of things , our policeman of the world role we take on. In this case I agree with it, although it isnt always right.

if swiatek was Russian - well, Medvedev is Russian. Shed be banned.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Ps in the country votes at Eurovision last night only one country was notable in giving Ukraine no votes from the public. Serbia.

At least that is what I understand. Forgive me if that is materially wrong .

GAMEOVER · Pro player

JonH comes home wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Why are we banning the Russians and Belarus players from our tournaments but the rest of Europe is not? Should I perhaps address this question to my MP ? As an aside suppose Iga Swiatek had been Russian .
Because Britain tends to take a very much more principled position on these types of things , our policeman of the world role we take on. In this case I agree with it, although it isnt always right.

if swiatek was Russian - well, Medvedev is Russian. Shed be banned.

Frankly I am glad that Swiatek is not Russian/ Belarus/ Ukrainian. As an aside with Elina Svitolina announcing her pregnancy it reduces the number of Ukrainians likely to make WTA main draws as 3. i.e Kalinina(probably the best) , Kostyuk and Yastremska. Thus far they seem to have played in tournaments where they have generally avoided playing Russians / Belarus. The ban is fine from a principled position but from a British tennis position potentially a financial disaster. No easy answer.

nicofrance · Intermediate Club Player

Those on the ATP player council who vote to strip Wimbledon of ranking points shouldnt bother turning up for the tournament. If theyre so outraged then they should sit it out .

indiana · Tennis legend

nicofrance wrote:
Those on the ATP player council who vote to strip Wimbledon of ranking points shouldnt bother turning up for the tournament. If theyre so outraged then they should sit it out .

Why would that be?

A player votes that there should be no ranking points from Wimbledon because it isn't giving all ATP individual members a chance of earning ranking points this year ( rather than to 'punish Wimbledon' as some people choose to put it ).

And the player then turns up because fundamentally the tournament itself would remain prestigious, he wants to do well at it and yes earn good money in it, the only real problem in his mind having been the possible inequity in ranking points which his vote would have helped remove ( even if not in a way to many folks' liking ) so he too is playing for no ranking points. All such players that then turn up would help keep it at as least a decent quality tournament for its audience.

What exactly do you see wrong with that? Would you prefer a Wimbledon with no ranking points and then also with all such players mssing?

Peculiar confuse

nicofrance · Intermediate Club Player

Wimbledon is no longer prestigious if it doesnt have ranking points . The players who voted to strip it of points have been complicit in that and then expect to turn up and get the adulation from the fans . In effect they are punishing players who might do well on grass , the qualifiers who battle through desperate to boost their ranking.

A grand slam with no points is a glorified exhibition event . The whole point of grand slams for the vast majority is its the toughest competition where you can earn huge points to help you go up the rankings . The money of course helps but this is not the primary motivation . No points =less competition .

indiana · Tennis legend

I mainly look within. If our government, LTA and Wimbledon combination didn't do as they did ...

Yes yes I know if Russia and Putin hadn't .... !!

But still our apparently unthought through inconsequential actions ( other than possibly so effecting our own grass season ) could easily have been avoided.

I understand disagreement for and against the possible denial of ranking points. I don't understand anyone not finding that our unilateral course of action always having such very possible ( and arguably not unreasonable ) consequences.

And we are clearly just not going to agree on how prestigious Wimbledon ( as distinct from the other UK grass tournaments ) would remain, much as we can each repeat ourselves. Unfortunately the proof on that one may ultimately be in the pudding

LordBrownof · Futures level

Russell Fuller confirming ATP points will be available for grass-court tournaments this summer. The decision still to come on Wimby, and presumably, WTA tournaments too.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Yep, just atp at this time

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61472534

Presumably pertains to the atp challengers as well.

Im sure wta will follow suit

indiana · Tennis legend

I'm a little surprised but very pleased for Queen's and Eastbourne and hopefully the rest.

Presumably we are all (?) at least agreed that we want the UK tournaments to count for full ATP and WTA points.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
I'm a little surprised but very pleased for Queen's and Eastbourne and hopefully the rest.

Presumably we are all (?) at least agreed that we want the UK tournaments to count for full ATP and WTA points.

Definitely- hopefully the WTA follow suit and also Wimbledon.
hopefully we will see the Surbiton and Queens entries go up tomorrow .

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Pleased and not that surprised - the ATP can't say banning Russians will unfairly penalise players AND THEN unfairly penalise a whole load more players - it never made sense

And the Grand Slam / ATP points contract for the last four (?) years is just about to expire and they know they're in a rather delicate position

And the ATP has absolutely zero gumption anyway

And they knew that all the players would come, no matter what

I hope the Russian players have their previous points protected in some manner. And if Wimbledon would like to pay a 'fine', to show willing, and swell the ATP coffers slightly, I'm sure the ATP would be very happy.