Week 15 - ITF M25 - Sunderland, Great Britain (indoor hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Week 15 - ITF M25 - Sunderland, Great Britain (indoor hard)

JonH · All-time great

Only binding seeded top 8 , hope we can get more than one into the main draw !

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

James Story and Harry Meehan would have been the top two, probably, to get an upset. Bit of a shame they got the top two seeds.

Anton Mat should certainly hope to qualify.

Glad to see a whole heap of Scottish youngsters get wildcards

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Tough draw for Connor Thompson, it would be nice to see him pick up some ITF points before he goes off to South Carolina to join Paul Jubb. I am sure he will get plenty of opportunities and really add to their programme but a rank would clearly bench marks the level hes at on starting.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Clay Crawford was a very decent junior, about JWR 100.

Good to see him in a draw. First time since 2015.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Johannus Monday is based on Scotland, I believe, and is GBR on everything apart from Livescores where he's listed as German.

Either way, he's just won by walkover.

Michael D · All-time great

Coup Droit wrote:
James Story and Harry Meehan would have been the top two, probably, to get an upset. Bit of a shame they got the top two seeds.

Anton Mat should certainly hope to qualify.

Glad to see a whole heap of Scottish youngsters get wildcards

Well getting the top seed hasn't stopped James Story smile

JonH · All-time great

Just out of interest, the British wins in the 3 home ITF events to date tally up as follows

Hoyt - 6 wins
Glasspool - 6 wins (incl w/o last week)
Peniston 5 wins
Draper - 4 wins
Broady - 3 wins
Matusevich - 1 win
Findel-Hawkins - 1 win
McHugh - 1 win
Johnson - 1 win

As per the womens side, it will be interesting to see who comes out top of these indoor hard events; if the LTA had anything about them the overall player with most wins (or in some points table) would be rewarded with a guaranteed wild card into Wimbledon or at least one of the big grass events pre Wimbledon.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Michael D wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
James Story and Harry Meehan would have been the top two, probably, to get an upset. Bit of a shame they got the top two seeds.

Anton Mat should certainly hope to qualify.

Glad to see a whole heap of Scottish youngsters get wildcards
Well getting the top seed hasn't stopped James Story

Really pleased for him. He seems to be playing very well, it was always possible. Shame Harry couldn't do the same but I'll take one out of two

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Results so far:

QR1: James Story UNR (ITF 2120) defeated (q1) Luca Castelnuovo (SUI) UNR by 3 & 4 biggrin
QR1: Euan Wilson Baig UNR defeated (q10) Patrick Foley UNR (ITF 1146) by 6-7(1) 6-4 [11-9] in two hours & 10 minutes! biggrin bleh

QR1: (q2) Raphael Baltensperger (SUI) UNR defeated Harry Meehan UNR (ITF 2171) by 5 & 2
QR1: (q11) Sean Hodkin UNR (ITF 1218) defeated George Foster UNR (ITF 2425) by 6-2 4-6 [10-5]

QR1: (q3) Mats Rosenkranz (GER) UNR (ITF 379) defeated Alexander Romay UNR (ITF 2231) by 3-1 retired
QR1: (q16) Adam Jones UNR (ITF 1477) defeated (qWC) Daniel Bennett UNR (ITF UNR) by 4 & 2

QR1: (q4) Jonathan Binding UNR defeated Matthew Clegg UNR (ITF UNR) by 2 & 2
QR1: (q12) Scott Duncan UNR (ITF 1398) defeated Jack Gibbens UNR (ITF 2546) by 3 & 5

QR1: (qWC) Johannus Monday UNR (ITF UNR) "defeated" (q6) Valentin Günther (GER) UNR by a walkover smile

*****

FQR: James Story UNR (ITF 2120) vs Euan Wilson Baig UNR

FQR: (q2) Raphael Baltensperger (SUI) UNR vs (q11) Sean Hodkin UNR (ITF 1218)

FQR: (q3) Mats Rosenkranz (GER) UNR (ITF 379) vs (q16) Adam Jones UNR (ITF 1477)

FQR: (q4) Jonathan Binding UNR vs (q12) Scott Duncan UNR (ITF 1398)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

As well as James Story and Johannus, there are wins for Adam Jones, Binding, Duncan, and Hodkin. (Romay retired)

Congrats too to Euan Wilson Baig, who tipped Patrick Foley 11-9 in the MTB.

Euan used to be based (is still based?) in Barcelona, born 2000, - nice for him to get a win over a seeded guy and get an ITF point

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:
Just out of interest, the British wins in the 3 home ITF events to date tally up as follows

Hoyt - 6 wins
Glasspool - 6 wins (incl w/o last week)
Peniston 5 wins
Draper - 4 wins
Broady - 3 wins
Matusevich - 1 win
Findel-Hawkins - 1 win
McHugh - 1 win
Johnson - 1 win

As per the womens side, it will be interesting to see who comes out top of these indoor hard events; if the LTA had anything about them the overall player with most wins (or in some points table) would be rewarded with a guaranteed wild card into Wimbledon or at least one of the big grass events pre Wimbledon.

The main difference here is that the likes of Jodie, Emma and Maia have all beaten top 200 players in these tournaments this year, the likes of Kalinskaya, Badosa-Gibert, Von Deichmann, the Greek girl with the long name, Anderson and even Shinikova at 220 - all of those players will feature in Wimbledon quallies, so it is generally a few level above who the men have beaten in these events. You look at the M Sunderland entry list and the 2nd seed is ATP 377, whereas Bolton W25 had 7 players in the top 200 last week.

I do like the idea in theory though, the US do the cumulative system for a lot of their smaller tournaments leading to MDWCs into the likes of Indian Wells and the US Open, but beating a bunch of 300/400/unranked players doesn't really do much for Wimbledon WC credentials - maybe entry into a smaller event like you also suggested, perhaps a MDWC or QWC into an Eastbourne or a MDWC into one of the challengers, if needed.

-- Edited by Ace Ventura on Monday 8th of April 2019 10:40:22 AM

JonH · All-time great

Ace Ventura wrote:
JonH wrote:
Just out of interest, the British wins in the 3 home ITF events to date tally up as follows

Hoyt - 6 wins
Glasspool - 6 wins (incl w/o last week)
Peniston 5 wins
Draper - 4 wins
Broady - 3 wins
Matusevich - 1 win
Findel-Hawkins - 1 win
McHugh - 1 win
Johnson - 1 win

As per the womens side, it will be interesting to see who comes out top of these indoor hard events; if the LTA had anything about them the overall player with most wins (or in some points table) would be rewarded with a guaranteed wild card into Wimbledon or at least one of the big grass events pre Wimbledon.
The main difference here is that the likes of Jodie, Emma and Maia have all beaten top 200 players in these tournaments this year, the likes of Kalinskaya, Badosa-Gibert, Von Deichmann, the Greek girl with the long name, Anderson and even Shinikova at 220 - all of those players will feature in Wimbledon quallies, so it is generally a few level above who the men have beaten in these events. You look at the M Sunderland entry list and the 2nd seed is ATP 377, whereas Bolton W25 had 7 players in the top 200 last week.
I do like the idea in theory though, the US do the cumulative system for a lot of their smaller tournaments leading to MDWCs into the likes of Indian Wells and the US Open, but beating a bunch of 300/400/unranked players doesn't really do much for Wimbledon WC credentials - maybe entry into a smaller event like you also suggested, perhaps a MDWC or QWC into an Eastbourne or a MDWC into one of the challengers, if needed.

-- Edited by Ace Ventura on Monday 8th of April 2019 10:40:22 AM

You are of course correct AV, totally understand. My main point, though, (and others here will have seen me post about this before) is the creation of some sort of narrative. I like it when you can see a story unfold and by putting a few events together you can create that sort of league table linked to that with a clearly known reward at the end, rather than an event in splendid isolation - which of course is relevant as the players gain WR points of course (ITF or ATP/WTA) - but linking them for me creates that story.

Back in the day (I hate that phrase) the ITF grouped events into a Satellite Circuit where 3 events would lead to points for the subsequent Satellite Masters event which was the 4th week. Probably the Masters wouldnt fit now as the players would want to be off but if 3 events or 4 events could be linked in some way towards wild cards, I think that would be a good thing on both the mens and womens side of the Tours.

indiana · Tennis legend

I guess this year ( as last ) we are hardly inundated with GB Wimbledon WC contendors so a Wimbledon QWC for a home ITF race leader would probably work - an enticing reward and not denying another particularly strong candidate, I would like to think / hope that we will be in a better position in coming years but that does at best look possibly a few years down the line.

Though yes, as Ace says, our women are general pllaying and beating better players in their 25Ks.

I initially regarded women's 25Ks as sort of mini challengers when we had men's 10 & 15Ks and women's 10 & 25s. For whatever reasons they made the prizemoney the same at each's two lowest levels. But retaining the relatively high women's 25K points ( and now continuing to hsve these as main ranking points ) leaves the women's 25Ks clearly looked on by players as higher status compared to the men"s 25Ks.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Both Elliott Farmer and James McKinlay have lost out in MTBs.

Decent effort from both to get to one set all, but no cigar at the end....