Quick question - have the ATP points for qualifying for Challengers been dropped again? Cant see any reference to them on the draw sheet unlike some of the challengers earlier in the year.

Yes sorry I was getting it wrong - you are right they were ITF points only. Just shows how confusing this all is so this is similar to the womens 25k qualifying where a win gets you no points reward at all.

JonH wrote:

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Stircrazy wrote:

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Dare I say Brydan could hardly have hoped for a better chance to get into the main draw of a Challenger 125?  That said, he needs to reach the second round to pick up five points.  It is perhaps worth noting that the Taiwanese has a doubles ranking of 70 (= CH) & is the top seed in the doubles with Christopher Rungkat.  If Brydan qualifies, he'll face either the Croat, Borna Gojo (WR 311), or his ex-compatriot, Luke Saville (WR 325).

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 That didn't go to plan, straight sets loss!

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For the record:

FQR:  (qWC) Hsieh Cheng-Peng (TPE) UNR defeated (q1) Brydan Klein WR 370 by 7-6(10) 7-5 

Woah, what happened there. Bryan is the luckiest of losers!

Id be interested to see the stats on the success rate of LLs. I reckon they have a higher success rate than actual qualifiers.

Loooking at live rankings, Brydan has a gain now of 5 points and has moved up 10 places in live rankings, having won a R1 match after losing in qualies. He could go all the way in a $25k+H event and win the tournament and end up no better off. The guy he lost to and beat is UNR. He could play a much harder set of 5 matches in an ITF25k+H and do no better, indeed a $25k event and gain less points.

I realise Challengers are a higher level of the game but surely this doesnt feel like fair reward - not just to Brydan but as a general principle?

JonH wrote:

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Loooking at live rankings, Brydan has a gain now of 5 points and has moved up 10 places in live rankings, having won a R1 match after losing in qualies. He could go all the way in a $25k+H event and win the tournament and end up no better off. The guy he lost to and beat is UNR. He could play a much harder set of 5 matches in an ITF25k+H and do no better, indeed a $25k event and gain less points.

I realise Challengers are a higher level of the game but surely this doesnt feel like fair reward - not just to Brydan but as a general principle?

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I just look.at the 1, 3 and 5 ATP points for reaching the very late stages of 25Ks and 25K+Hs as kind of just meant as temporary nominal recognition of that success and give folk an ATP ranking if they hadn't one before rather than any true effort at logical equivalence. I mean last year these 25K+H title 5 points were 35 points. They can't have been 'worth' each of these. 

Be interesting what the points revert to if, rather than ATP points for 25K(+H)s being phased out all together, they are in fact brought fully back into the ATP ranking system as evidently is being looked at / negotiated.