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The general consensus from the opinion polls predicts a conservative majority of 20-40 seats.

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paulisi wrote:

The general consensus from the opinion polls predicts a conservative majority of 20-40 seats.


Yes.  I think that is probably what will happen.  However, the Tories went into the last election day with an 8 point lead in the opinion polls and came out with only a 2.5 point victory in overall vote terms. Add in some tactical voting this time and it could still be quite tight.  I'm not holding my breath though.



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This recording of Ashworth is damning. He says it was banter, but it clearly isnt banter and , although he has been stitched up in a sting by someone he might have thought was a friend, it very clearly shows what a leading labour player really thinks. Disastrous, for him and probably for Labour as well.

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He was being realistic.
Any other labour leader other than Corbyn & McDonnell would have walked this election. They have alienated those on the right of party(Middle ground), lost the Jewish support and their stance on supporting terrorist organisations and anti royalty has lost too many normal labour votes.


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Weird how that works.
Multiple members of Johnson's own family excoriate him and leave their careers over his mendacity and personal rapacity and yet it just blows over.

This though is somehow obviously and indefatigably fatal.
Of course, the Murdoch/Barclays/Rothermere/Desmond in one-siding the whole election through a stranglehold of all their outlets would have no bearing on these sorts of utterly indefensible asymmetries. Heaven forfend!
We'll soon have the BBC dissolved and FOX Pravda re-admitted.

Tories look set for more than 40 seat majority from what I can tell, and any working outright majority where they are not reliant upon any other party to pass legislation will result in the largest power grab in this country in centuries. PM Cummings is following the mid-80's US Republican playbook almost to the letter.

There's a rude awakening coming with a Conservative party under Cummings and (ostensibly, at least) Johnson with the validation of a mandate.
For example. I would expect there to be some reason found to interfere in the Supreme Court, and technicalities produced requiring the replacement of Baroness Hale, and the others that ruled against the governments prorogation of parliament, and the subsequent installation of ideologically pure replacements that will pronounce along party lines.
Many will say these sorts of things are just theories, and that such things can't come to pass. Except then they do make a move and things like this do come to pass, and many others besides.

Which is exactly the kind of lassitude and torpor that the ruling class require in order to make such moves. "It could never happen here! Oh, it has! What now? What do you mean it's done, it's decided. Isn't there some rule for that? It all operated on good faith and Gentleman's agreements? Why didn't anybody do anything before then? They can't do that!!! It's done! Oh!"

Good women and men will do nothing, as fast-moving events hurry past them, and we have yet again the answer to Sinclair Lewis' old chestnut.

All good fun for a fatalist such as I.



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www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/11/brexit-hits-uk-ski-and-holiday-staff-overseas

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Status Quo wrote:

Weird how that works.
Multiple members of Johnson's own family excoriate him and leave their careers over his mendacity and personal rapacity and yet it just blows over.

This though is somehow obviously and indefatigably fatal.
Of course, the Murdoch/Barclays/Rothermere/Desmond in one-siding the whole election through a stranglehold of all their outlets would have no bearing on these sorts of utterly indefensible asymmetries. Heaven forfend!
We'll soon have the BBC dissolved and FOX Pravda re-admitted.

Tories look set for more than 40 seat majority from what I can tell, and any working outright majority where they are not reliant upon any other party to pass legislation will result in the largest power grab in this country in centuries. PM Cummings is following the mid-80's US Republican playbook almost to the letter.

There's a rude awakening coming with a Conservative party under Cummings and (ostensibly, at least) Johnson with the validation of a mandate.
For example. I would expect there to be some reason found to interfere in the Supreme Court, and technicalities produced requiring the replacement of Baroness Hale, and the others that ruled against the governments prorogation of parliament, and the subsequent installation of ideologically pure replacements that will pronounce along party lines.
Many will say these sorts of things are just theories, and that such things can't come to pass. Except then they do make a move and things like this do come to pass, and many others besides.

Which is exactly the kind of lassitude and torpor that the ruling class require in order to make such moves. "It could never happen here! Oh, it has! What now? What do you mean it's done, it's decided. Isn't there some rule for that? It all operated on good faith and Gentleman's agreements? Why didn't anybody do anything before then? They can't do that!!! It's done! Oh!"

Good women and men will do nothing, as fast-moving events hurry past them, and we have yet again the answer to Sinclair Lewis' old chestnut.

All good fun for a fatalist such as I.


We've moved so far in ways that I just wouldn't have believed a few years ago that I have little difficulty imagining us moving further towards the worst practices of the USA. 



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So today's the day...... :(

No one (I assume) votes according to tennis considerations, and rightly so.
But I couldn't help noticing in the 'top juniors now playing adult tennis thread' that the players I'm typing in are Matilda Mutavdzic, Emma Raducanu, Harry Wendelken, Anton Matusevich...
All players with very international parents, now connected to the UK....

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It's my daughters first time old enough to vote today, looking forward to going down after she finishes school to vote

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The day is almost here, anyone fancy a brexit debate?! 



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Celebratory coins, chimes, etc etc - how to glory in It and further annoy half the country. Just leave ...

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indiana wrote:

Celebratory coins, chimes, etc etc - how to glory in It and further annoy half the country. Just leave ...


 Thankfully ben isnt bonging this week at least 



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JonH comes home wrote:

The day is almost here, anyone fancy a brexit debate?! 


I am having enough stress following Leeds right now, so I'll give that one a miss. wink



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Wednesday 29th of January 2020 08:39:36 PM

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Thought I might give an update relating to my residency situation. You may remember that when I made my previous application, I failed on economics grounds. Although I had sufficient funds in my account, I was told that I had to be able to prove that I had funds over and above the stated threshold for a period of 3 continuous months.

As of about 10 days ago, I have now managed to meet that criteria and have been trying to get an appointment. For the last 3 weeks however, the National Police website (the only means of obtaining an appointment) has simply said "No Appointments Available".

Today, I went directly to the police station to ask whether they had stopped processing people now Britain has officially left the EU, or whether they were simply swamped with applications resulting in the lack of available appointments. I was told that they were still processing people but demand was very high. I was also told that in 2 weeks time, the procedure might change - but then again, it might not. Nobody knows. They even told me that those who already had their residency, maybe required to reapply under the (possible) new procedure as the residency that they currently have may no longer be valid.

So even if I manage to get my residency in the next couple of weeks, I may have to start the whole process again in two weeks time as any document they give me, might be almost immediately invalid. But then again, it may not be.

The whole thing is a complete and utter mess.

I can assure everybody on here that from my perspective at least, Brexit is "NOT DONE".



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Wednesday 5th of February 2020 10:30:38 PM

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I don't think it's done from anyone's point of view, not in practice......

There are many potential benefits (I assume) from Brexit and they may well come to pass and more.

But the guy I met last week who runs a medium-sized company pointed me to the FT letters page where, he said, was a practically carbon copy of his current situation, with most everything set up to move out of the UK into Europe, at the drop of a hat, just waiting for the negotiation phase to clarify where he actually stands.....

FT Letters:

"So the cannon fires and we're off.

You won't see disruption in our business from Brexit as unlike the Government we've planned our scenarios. We've taken the hit on inventory 3 times now on both sides of the EU border. The UK governments inability to even start to advise business beyond admitting the truth they have been denying for 3 years means we kick in plan C with immediate effect.

Ramp down production UK side, increase production EU side and redirect UK capacity investment to EU zone expansion. Now switch the UK into a warehouse to trickle Kanban buffer stock for the EU sites until running on minimal shift pattern. It'll keep the lines running but with 1/3 the staff.

If year end looks like same old Brexit bluster or we don't like the look of where things are heading we'll exit more or less at the throw of a switch. We can reutilise part of the hardware in new EU sites in the east EU anyway. This will happen seamlessly and without remorse as our shareholders interests will have been protected.

The whole process will take less than 10 months from trigger and won't be reversed. If you dont work in manufacturing read this and remember it. It is the pattern of industrial withdrawal that your government is choosing for you through their own incompetence."

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