Week 24 - ITF ($100k) - Manchester, Grass

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Week 24 - ITF ($100k) - Manchester, Grass

paulisi · Tennis legend

Bonaventure was outstanding defensively. Harriet hardly got any free points.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Oakland2002 wrote:
the addict wrote:
OK, I'll expand it a little - it's just that I saw the other four next so close together. I'm also including Sam and EWS, since they are competing at the same tournaments

80 Gabriella Taylor Heather Watson GBR Surbiton 2018
92 Samantha Murray Misaki Doi JPN Toyota 2012
94 Emily Webley-Smith Severine Beltrame FRA Wimbledon 2004
94 Harriet Dart Luksika Kumkhum THA Manchester 2018
97 Katie Boulter Taylor Townsend USA Rancho Santa Fe 2018
100 Katy Dunne Mirjana Lucic-Baroni CRO Nottingham 2014
102 Katie Swan Lauren Davis USA Miami 2016
Interesting as to how you interpret this data, obviously the number of years even matches played is an important consideration, one could argue that the proximity of EWS and Sam to the others is merely a consequence of regression to the mean although the dates and ages at which they achieved them tells another tale in terms of the destiny of the younger cohort, particular when you factor in JCH. (119 and 198)

Yes, I thought the years were very interesting.

The stand-out is Katy Dunne. You would expect Sam and EWS's best win to be ages back. But Katy's being in 2014 is not particularly encouraging. Although CH best wins, in themselves, are statistically pretty irrelevant i.e. the top 5 is way more indicative than one possibly flukey win. So maybe that was just Katy's one-off one from then.

As you say, the junior rankings of the lot is worth mentioning too:

Gabriella Taylor - JCH 46

Samantha Murray - JCH 198

Emily Webley-Smith - JCH 119

Harriet Dart - JCH 55

Katie Boulter - JCH 10

Katy Dunne - JCH 9

Katie Swan - JCH 2

In which case, one should also mention Emily Appleton - JCH 10 (and maybe Maia - JCH 41; and Freya - JCH 67; and Tara - JCH 73, as other examples)

Interesting too that Sam is the only player whose WTA ranking high exceeds her Junior ITF ranking high.

Michael D · All-time great

Coup Droit wrote:
Yes, I thought the years were very interesting.
The stand-out is Katy Dunne. You would expect Sam and EWS's best win to be ages back. But Katy's being in 2014 is not particularly encouraging. Although CH best wins, in themselves, are statistically pretty irrelevant i.e. the top 5 is way more indicative than one possibly flukey win. So maybe that was just Katy's one-off one from then.
As you say, the junior rankings of the lot is worth mentioning too:

Gabriella Taylor - JCH 46
Samantha Murray - JCH 198
Emily Webley-Smith - JCH 119
Harriet Dart - JCH 55
Katie Boulter - JCH 10
Katy Dunne - JCH 9
Katie Swan - JCH 2

In which case, one should also mention Emily Appleton - JCH 10 (and maybe Maia - JCH 41; and Freya - JCH 67; and Tara - JCH 73, as other examples)

Interesting too that Sam is the only player whose WTA ranking high exceeds her Junior ITF ranking high.

Of the rest there is only one player whose WTA ranking might well eventually exceed her Junior ITF ranking and that's Gabi. Of course, she has more scope to do so than Katie B, Katy D, Katie S and Emily A, so the fairer might be simply which of those may eventually achieve rankings within the WTA top 50...

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Why Gabi when her JCH was 46? (Harriet's was 55 - surely they're in the same boat)

But, yes, I agree a top 50 WTA ranking would suffice for the top end.

Someone like Eden Silva should exceed her Junior ITF ranking because she only got to 316. Equally Lissey Barnett was JWR 395. And Beth was 236.

Ola Pitak, of course, has already exceeded her junior ranking even though she's still a junior !

Michael D · All-time great

Coup Droit wrote:
Why Gabi when her JCH was 46? (Harriet's was 55 - surely they're in the same boat)

But, yes, I agree a top 50 WTA ranking would suffice for the top end.

Someone like Eden Silva should exceed her Junior ITF ranking because she only got to 316. Equally Lissey Barnett was JWR 395. And Beth was 236.

Ola Pitak, of course, has already exceeded her junior ranking even though she's still a junior !

Yes, I was just referring to those with junior rankings listed. And I may well be wrong, but even though Harriet has nearly caught Gabi up in the rankings now, I still rate Gabi's eventual potential as higher than most of the rest, though would be very happy for their to be good competition within the top 100 to see who can be the highest! All have to get there first though of course. wink

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

But Gabi WAS referred to in the list

Anyway, we're all batting for the same result - allez, les filles !

And some very nice doubles going on from our Katy/Harriet duo. They took the first set 5-7. Are 1-3 down in the second but it's good quality stuff.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Into a MTB....

the addict · Tennis legend

Fingers crossed. Harriet looking a little tired I think, and her serve seems to have lost its zip. Katy not putting away the volleys with any conviction.

indiana · Tennis legend

Just saved 3 MPs in the MTB, *9-9

indiana · Tennis legend

12-12*

Had 2 MPs, saved 4.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

What a shame.

But it was an excellent MTB.

The GB girls both played well, with Katy playing some real doubles, volleying for position and pressure, rather than force always, and reading the game really well, and Harriet with pace.

Harriet just HAD to intercept sometimes though, and she didn't at all, which didn't keep the others honest.

the addict · Tennis legend

Pity, 13-15.
They must have heard me, because they picked up their game after I last posted.

Michael D · All-time great

So close for Harriet and Katy, but not too be. Naomi does get through on her MTB though, so has a chance of a redeeming and confidence boosting doubles W in her home city tournament.

SF: Naomi Broady/ Asia Muhammad (GBR/USA) [1] 214 (73+141) beat Jamie Loeb/ An-Sophie Mestach (USA/BEL) [3] 267 (133+134) 7-5 5-7 10-8
SF: Harriet Dart/ Katy Dunne (GBR/GBR) 356 (164+192) lost to Lusika Kumkhum/ Prarthana G Thombare (THA/IND) [4] 334 (137+197) 7-5 3-6 13-15

F: Naomi Broady/ Asia Muhammad (GBR/USA) [1] 214 (73+141 vs Lusika Kumkhum/ Prarthana G Thombare (THA/IND) [4] 334 (137+197)

paulisi · Tennis legend

To be fair, Naomi and Asia were cruising a set and a break up and then Naomi went missing.There were a little lucky to win the MTB as well as they were pulled back to 8-8