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Are tennis facilities in the UK inadequate for pro players?


This article came out a few years ago, but the points Oli made are still valid:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/atptour/11298902/Rising-tennis-star-who-quit-sport-Oli-Golding-says-its-too-hard-to-find-places-to-play-tennis-in-London.html

 

Are the facilities in UK tennis clubs inadequate for pro players?

 

I read that Andy Murray started spending more and more time in Miami as his career progressed to train, and now Kyle Edmund has moved to the Bahamas. Andy went to a tennis school in Spain as well rather than working with the LTA.

I'm not sure where Tim Henman and Greg Rusedski used to train.

 

 



-- Edited by Melly15 on Sunday 1st of April 2018 10:31:37 AM

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Well, players move to the sun and warmth, and away from our winter cold, that's one of the obvious motivations for training in the likes of Florida, the Bahamas and indeed Barcelona, which has a gorgeous climate. Considering our often miserable weather we have a surprising dearth of indoor courts in the UK; again the contrasting example of France shows up here. As for London explicitly, I can't comment so much on the distribution of facilities, but guess there are more in the wealthier home counties that surround London, rather than in the city itself, others will know much more.

And welcome to the forum too Melly15!

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Michael D wrote:

Well, players move to the sun and warmth, and away from our winter cold, that's one of the obvious motivations for training in the likes of Florida, the Bahamas and indeed Barcelona, which has a gorgeous climate. Considering our often miserable weather we have a surprising dearth of indoor courts in the UK; again the contrasting example of France shows up here. As for London explicitly, I can't comment so much on the distribution of facilities, but guess there are more in the wealthier home counties that surround London, rather than in the city itself, others will know much more.

And welcome to the forum too Melly15!


 Thank you!

Another one: Johanna Konta moved her base to Gijon, Spain, after her funding was cut.



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Each to their own. Some have gone abroad to train, some have stayed in the UK.
The facilities overseas tend to be cheaper and more accessible.

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Melly, if you look in the General Tennis part, under the thread called : "British tennis players and Foreign academies", you'll see a full/pretty full list of all British players who have spent a significant part of their training abroad.
Hope it helps.



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Sunday 1st of April 2018 11:27:39 AM

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Coup Droit wrote:

Melly, if you look in the General Tennis part, under the thread called : "British tennis players and Foreign academies", you'll see a full/pretty full list of all British players who have spent a significant part of their training abroad.
Hope it helps.



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Sunday 1st of April 2018 11:27:39 AM


Here's a link :

http://britishtennis.activeboard.com/t58415907/british-tennis-players-and-foreign-academies/?page=1&sort=oldestFirst

Quite a list though it doesn't seem to have been updated since 2016.

And yes, welcome Melly.



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indiana wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

Melly, if you look in the General Tennis part, under the thread called : "British tennis players and Foreign academies", you'll see a full/pretty full list of all British players who have spent a significant part of their training abroad.
Hope it helps.



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Sunday 1st of April 2018 11:27:39 AM


Here's a link :

http://britishtennis.activeboard.com/t58415907/british-tennis-players-and-foreign-academies/?page=1&sort=oldestFirst

Quite a list though it doesn't seem to have been updated since 2016.

And yes, welcome Melly.


 Thank you!



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Its not just the climate, its the tax jurisdiction where they consider themselves resident.

Why would you want to pay excessively high tax in a country where you spend little to no time due to climate, cost of living or lack of available training facilities?



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Its not just the climate, its the tax jurisdiction where they consider themselves resident.

Why would you want to pay excessively high tax in a country where you spend little to no time due to climate, cost of living or lack of available training facilities?


 Also lack of suitable events



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Its not just the climate, its the tax jurisdiction where they consider themselves resident.

Why would you want to pay excessively high tax in a country where you spend little to no time due to climate, cost of living or lack of available training facilities?


 I know that tax will be a reason, and everyone - I guess - would like to pay less, but do you genuinely think that GB's tax rates are 'excessively high'? 



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Coup Droit wrote:
FriendofLouieG wrote:

Its not just the climate, its the tax jurisdiction where they consider themselves resident.

Why would you want to pay excessively high tax in a country where you spend little to no time due to climate, cost of living or lack of available training facilities?


 I know that tax will be a reason, and everyone - I guess - would like to pay less, but do you genuinely think that GB's tax rates are 'excessively high'? 


Compared to the Bahamas, UAE and Monaco, yes.  

I think its not just the level of tax but having to deal with double taxation. In your home country and that of the tournament.

Much easier to just pay pay tax at the location of the tournament and not have to worry about paying tax where you are tax resident.  



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FriendofLouieG wrote:

Its not just the climate, its the tax jurisdiction where they consider themselves resident.

Why would you want to pay excessively high tax in a country where you spend little to no time due to climate, cost of living or lack of available training facilities?


 Tax and cost of living, yes, but I didn't think training facilities were an issue. Well, not in the capital anyway, until I read the article I posted above.



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I went to see Greenwich Borough play East Grinstead, Boro chasing automatic promotion to the Bostick Premier. I enjoyed cracking game of step 4 football, some very good athletes on show great mobility, footwork, coordination and stamina on show, it would be very interesting to see how they compared on physiological testing with our elite tennis players. The captain an ex pro at Charlton at 32 but still fit as a butchers dog set the standard which was surpassed by his younger colleagues in midfield.

Thumping tackles total comitment. British Tennis has more than adequate facilities for professional tennis indeed I would argue the level of commitment, athleticism, self discipline, and self motivation of most of our aspiring young tennis players would not get them in the door at Step 4 semi professional football. These guys also have full time jobs, mostly play twice a week (up a level and you could be driving from Worthing to Lowerstoft on a Saturday and then Needham Market on a Tuesday) and train once or twice depending on fixtures. Dont turn up, dont try and the dream is gone there are another couple of guys on the bench waiting to get on.

Evo understands it and eventually got there, OG should have left the closeted environment of the NTC and spent sometime at Kingstonians doing their pre season to understand the level of athlete out there and what a privileged position he was in.

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