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RE: Property developers and the death of non league football clubs


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York City back in the 5th tier next season after a home playoff final win over Boston United in front of almost 7,500.


Excellent - I went to the old ground back in 1975 to watch them play Millwall In the old division 2 and they got 3500!

mind you, my dad went a few weeks later and they played Man Utd in front of 15000 (ground only held half that! Fans on roof, in trees!), when Man Utd went down to division 2 for a season!



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York would have had a bigger attendance, but due to significant damage to the stadium and pitch invasions in the previous round, the capacity was reduced on safety grounds.

Dorking got pro oted from the South

Bromley won the FA Trophy beating Wrexham

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Relax, any Grimsby fans, slight counting problems by BBC Sport!

Grimsby are back in the Football League after scoring a winner with 9 minutes to go in ET. Rather boring compared to their last minute efforts in their earlier play-off games.

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Decent game and fair play to Grimsby who are well supported and put out the best of the rest in the playoffs.

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How's this for Non-League signing of the season.

www.bbc.com/sport/football/62266982

Actually, how's this for signing of the season regardless of league status.

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I hate to say it, but there seems to be a lot more idiots knocking around at football both in non league and also in the league at the moment.

Numerous issues at the weekend with Southport and Chorley fans throwing pyro onto the pitch and then fighting outside the ground.
We have seen issues with Oldham and Wrexham fans in arranged fights and Oldham and Chesterfield. There are probably lots more instances.

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Very exciting tie for Wolves Women (top of our 3rd tier league) away against Newcastle (2nd in their 4th tier league) who had a crowd of 28,000 in their last round. Presumably they will hold it at St James Park, Ive never been so very exciting! Will be about 10x bigger crowd than anything our girls will have played in front of if the same crowd.

Ive been to over 20 Wolves games in the last season and a half. Really love it.

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I'm hearing disturbing news about the financial problems of quite a few non league clubs.
Southend are the most notable and have failed to pay players on time and are being wound up by HMRC
If you go down to conference North, it is reported that 7 different clubs have failed to pay players on time.

Even the clubs with sugar daddies are losing money in unsustainable amounts. Solihull reportedly losing 1 million a season, Fylde are losing money with a reported 20k a week wage bill and gates of around 1000.

Clubs seem to be struggling from:
Reduced gate revenues - gates are up, but significantly more concessions
Higher energy costs
Higher security costs after numerous clubs impacted by crowd mis behaviour
Lack of sponsors prepared to invest - this is a national problem. UK Athletics have no sponsor, ECB has lost two of their three flagship sponsors.

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My very local club The Spartans ( less than 2 miles away ) are looking very good to top the Lowland League or at least do enough to get into the play-offs to get into the Scottish League.

They have gone a few points clear of Tranent Juniors and University of Stirling plus the other 2 title contenders, Celtic B and Rangers B, are not eligible for promotion.

I believe Jon knows someone from The Spartans, (ex).chairman/president?

The Highland League is going to be between Buckie Thistle and Brechin City, whilst Bonnyrigg Rose ( in their first season in the Scottish League ) and Albion Rovers are in most danger of dropping into the play-offs.



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indiana wrote:

My very local club The Spartans ( less than 2 miles away ) are looking very good to top the Lowland League or at least do enough to get into the play-offs to get into the Scottish League.

They have gone a few points clear of Tranent Juniors and University of Stirling plus the other 2 title contenders, Celtic B and Rangers B, are not eligible for promotion.

I believe Jon knows someone from The Spartans, (ex).chairman/president?

The Highland League is going to be between Buckie Thistle and Brechin City, whilst Bonnyrigg Rose ( in their first season in the Scottish League ) and Albion Rovers are in most danger of dropping into the play-offs.


I do! Craig Graham - Id need to check he is still with them but he was chairman around 5 years back I believe !



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www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/spartans-chief-craig-graham-would-swap-mbe-reach-spfl-592743

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Wikipedia says that Craig Graham is the chairman.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spartans_F.C.



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Harrogate Town have posted another heavy loss

thestrayferret.co.uk/harrogate-town-post-1-2-million-loss/

1.2m is on top of 1.0 m last season and overall the owner, Irving Weaver has 4.4m owing to him now.

We get around 2400 average crowd, I think, each week, charge around 20 per average ticket (expensive for this level) so revenues are c40-50k per match and then whatever we take at the bars and kiosks - which wont be much as, being frank, the ground has no space and at best I would reckon we take maybe 10k a match max on top

And that is before call match day costs and then the payment of players and staff etc.

And the 4.4m he has pumped in (and says he wont take out, and I believe him) has got us into the EFL in the first place, but being frank we are just about staying there - we got 17th in 20-21 season with 57 points and 19th last season with 53 points. So have averaged around 1.2 points per match. This season we are 20th place with 38 points from 37 matches so far, so the trajectory is not one of progress.

We have a richer benefactor than most clubs and can probably afford to use the cash and splash it around a little more , given our actual size and stature, but it is hardly sustainable and the downside is a manager who is the owners son and protected for life - these performances would not have kept anyone else in a job!

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Most clubs are unsustainable.
Lots of National League clubs have bigger wage bills than league 2 and some will go under.


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