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RE: Property developers and the death of non league football clubs


paulisi wrote:

Jon - you have misinterpretated my comments.
I have no issues with the way Harrogate perform on the field and they got promoted on merit.

Similarly to Oakie, I wanted Notts County to return to the EFL. They are a big club with a big fan base and bar a terrible start would have going up automatically.
Harrogate is not really a football town (the football fans follow Leeds). It has limited fan base and will always rely on a benefactor to keep them in heir current position.
My main concern is that Harrogate are living beyond their means and could end up in a position similar to Macclesfield or Rushden where benefactors decided to leave and the club suffered.
If they did what Barrow did and got promoted without the directors putting any additional money, I would be highly supportive.

There are plenty of other non league clubs who also fit this bill. Boreham Wood and Barnet spring to mind in the conference. Stockport might be the next. Braintree last year and Gray's in the past have all succumbed to big money being removed.


 Hi Paulisi 

 

Firstly, yes I did misinterpret your comments and I'm sorry for reacting like I did. 

It's a big day for the club and its fans and we are proud of what theyve done. 

Many of the things you say are correct. Town play good football, nice football. We do have a small fan base, from a town where people support Leeds utd over Town. The club went full time just 3 or 4 years ago and has had money put into it. 

 

Have we overspent? Probably, but the club is run well and as a tight ship in terms of cost base and the 4G pitch was part of being as sustainable as possible  

 

Has the 4g pitch helped us ? Probably , but mainly to play good football and one only had to see the play offs to see the team plays a good brand of football and has actually done as well away at home. 

 

Will the rug get pulled? I hope not but I guess all other clubs you mention are the same. We are fortunate in the weaver relationship, owner is the Dad and and  son is the manager and has been 10 or so years. The manager , Simon, has done a good job and Dad wont sack him , so stability there. He may get poached one day, but will that change the dynamic? Who knows.

 

The other aspect is Harrogate is an attractive place for played to play - great place to live, good location and its attracted players from many northern towns which stands us in good stead. It's also attractive for visitors and we hope away fans will make it a place they want to visit.

 

Sorry again, let's hope it all works out!



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I bet at the beginning of the season no Harrogate fans would have anticipated their 20/21 derby to be against Bradford City or a routine league away trip to Bolton Wanderers. At least the concept of promotion & relegation keeps everyone on their toes.

A superb edition of the non league paper which seemed to focus almost entirely on my niche non league interests. Some good bits and some not so good bits really enjoyed the piece on team Bath essentially such a threat to the status quo of non league football that the league altered their rules to stop them progressing ie stipulating all members of the leagues above step 5 have to be a limited company (no stipulation about being well run or based on a sustainable business model). Explained a bit as to CVPM approach to training and why their coaching is also of such high standard. The manager Kevin Watson being the captain (of the 2002 side that got to the first round proper of the FACup) and graduate of team Bath managed by Paul Tisdale who over achieved at Exeter for years. Interesting to see so many clubs tapping into the education of 16-18 year as a source of extra income running football scholarship programmes with educational partners.

Hamlets planning approval for a new ground also got almost a whole page and highlighted the support it got from the council and commitment to offer more resource to the surrounding community. Genuinely I think the aspirations are longevity and predominantly the later whilst being competitive in national league South and fit for purpose financially should they go up.

Less good was the article highlighting the purchase of new club Worcester Raiders (West Midlands Prem step 6) by the owners of Morecambe FC and Worcester Warriors RFC hoping to create a football league club to help sweat their asset, the Sixways Rugby stadium up by the motorway and build a brand through the club shop. A major frustration given Worcester City have finally secured a move back to Worcester after 7 years in the wilderness of lost bar money & dwindling gate receipts at Bromsgrove & Kidderminster. For me the draw to Junction 6 of the M5 doesnt compare with my memories of lemon flavoured bonbons & jaw ache by half time down St Georges Lane and the prospect of a pre match pint of Banks bitter on consecrated ground at the new lane, Claines Lane



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Tuesday 4th of August 2020 05:46:38 AM

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Dover warning they may go bust after players refuse to take 20% wage cut.



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Yep I saw that, I was a little shocked when Ade Yusuff signed for CVPM last week (from Dover NL to Isthmian SE dropped step 1 to 4). Goal machine at Folkestone. The Dover chairman who runs a tight ship fiscally has given the whole squad free transfers. I can see very lean squads & some very good players playing right down the pyramid.


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Non league set to delay fixtures bar FA Cup due to no approval for crowds.
NW counties - step 5 & 6 now talking about Oct now.

The oddity of last weekend allowed friendlies to start. Clubs could open their bars, but not allow spectators in to watch the game....

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Although it was appeared odd they are two different measures, one consistent with policy on opening of pubs and restaurants the other with sporting events and the numbers attending. There has been a certain amount of wilful conflation of the two to suggest inconsistency & have a moan.

Obviously opening schools is a major priority for the welfare of children and society in general. Exactly how people will behave in terms of social distancing is hard to predict and therefore a subtle incremental approach to releasing and imposing measures impossible. A great shame as non league football with attendances under 300 at most grounds would be very low risk. If I were running a club at step 3 or below I dont think I would have contracted any players at all, maybe a retainer? hopefully very few are dependant on football as their sole source of income but any income is going to be needed just to wash the clubs faces.

I really feel for clubs in the national league.

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The full time clubs are in a mess, unless they are on furlough.
Existing contracts are an issue.
New contracts are written to pay 6 weeks prior to start of season.

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I heard they were still hoping to play the trophy and vase semi finals, but it is getting very late to resolve.

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Looks like the reality of football without fans is beginning to bite. Two step 4 clubs going out of business this week. I cant imagine either club having contracted players.

Droylsdon (Northern Premier Div 1 West) & FC Romania (Isthmian League Div 1 South Central) have folded this week

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Droylsden??? - are they still run and managed by a drug dealer(alledgedly)

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paulisi wrote:

Droylsden??? - are they still run and managed by a drug dealer(alledgedly)


 Yes - Dave Pace...(always had heavies with him and was rumoured to be good mates with a high profile drug dealer)

Sponsor pulled out, clubhouse and function room still closed.



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From the article in the non league paper it suggests that loss of revenue from all the classic income streams ie bar & gate money are the primary cause. Perhaps Boris repealing of planning restrictions may also be a factor, will make clubs more vulnerable to property developers. 



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Friday 7th of August 2020 03:09:43 PM

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NW Counties pushes start date back a month due to local lockdown.
Bury FC appeal to be placed in National League rejected.

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AFC Bury have sold over 1300 replica kits(step 6).
Isle of Man FC (step 6) start their friendly campaign with a home match against Guernsey and should get a four figure gate.
Fewer restrictions over there....

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FA have put a request to trial crowds for pre season friendlies for non league sides. Awaiting feedback from DCMS

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