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Property developers and the death of non league football clubs


Personally, I think there ought to be some sort of legal restrictions on ownership of what are essentially community assets, I know supporters/clubs can apply for that status but the status doesnt seem to confer any sort of protection, the clubs often eventually get back on their feet but due to the efforts of the communities they serve (or not) but periods of extended geographical displacement are common place. Perhaps a requirement of entry to the pyramid is a community share in the club which restricts the capacity for liquidation and purchase purely for the purpose of asset stripping.

Many of theses clubs have been constants in the community for 100 years or more and when an owner buys a club not only do they buy the club and its freehold (if it is included) but they also buy responsibility for maintaing that asset in the community. In the past overseas owners when buying premiership/championship clubs didnt really get what they were buying, British football is the spectacle it is because of the passion it ignites in the fan bases and owners are merely custodians of great community based organisations on historical reflection, the classic example being Liverpools early flirtation with franchised American sports owners. There is stability now but the owners get it as they own a comparable American sports team with one of the few genuine equivalent rivalries in American sport, Liverpool v Utd is an easy and fitting comparison with Yankees v Red Socks.

Going back to non league, the level I think is open to negotiation as is the size of the facility which should be commensurate with population served but for cities such as Gloucester and Worcester not to have a community based club reflects a small minority (perhaps in local government) willfully neglecting the community they serve and the concept of sport for all, you are talking a 3000 capacity stadium and an Astro pitch that can be used 7 days a week by the whole community. I would also link it into maintaining the local youth and schools leagues for boys and girls across the city, with the club a central hub.

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Shout out to Nuneaton Youth team winning 7-2 30 minutes to go in FA Youth Cup only to loose 8-9 when things arent going your way things arent going your way!!

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Town grabbed a late 2-2 draw at home to basement Dover today. 4th still. Interesting fa cup final qualifying round match next weekend v Wrexham, dour draw last time we played them. Should be tight with big prize at stake.

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Shout out to Dunston from tier 9 playing fa cup final qualifying tomorrow with chance to reach first round proper- lowest surviving team left and also live on BBC website tomorow.

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Dunston have done well to progress so far as there are an enormous number of teams playing at step 3/4 (62) in the Northern leagues and even more at step 5 resulting in a significant dilution of talent and drop in standard. They are mid table so I presume the draw has helped. Perhaps an outstanding young player or two, time will tell but will definitely keep an eye out for the score.

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Realised they are playing a local derby as well with national league Gateshead, 4 levels above them

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The standard of the North East clubs is very high. They regularly win the FA Vase and the main reason was that most of the club's were reluctant to move up the pyramid due to the costs of travelling.
There are some clubs that have now taking the step up the pyramid and are benefiting such as South Shields.

Meanwhile Southport have made final qualifying of the FA Cup and have a winnable match against Ashton Utd

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I complete get that, it was almost more fun traveling around watching Hamlet in the Isthmian premiership new grounds relatively close by but almost every game is a home game in terms of distance travelled.

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paulisi wrote:

The standard of the North East clubs is very high. They regularly win the FA Vase and the main reason was that most of the club's were reluctant to move up the pyramid due to the costs of travelling.
There are some clubs that have now taking the step up the pyramid and are benefiting such as South Shields.

Meanwhile Southport have made final qualifying of the FA Cup and have a winnable match against Ashton Utd


well done Southport on winning through to fa cup first round. Good performance and hopefully a good draw next round !

Harrogate once again drew nil nil with Wrexham, so back to North Wales for the replay next week. Played Wrexham twice and no goals so far, penalties anyone?

Harrogate crowd was poor though - for league match we got 2500 versus Wrexham, yesterday's cup match drew only 1500, less than season average in league which is 1700



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More than that at Dartford yesterday for Dartford v Hamlet (but we must have taken 300 fans), great atmosphere, decent game although Hamlet should have won. A great first half 30 yd strike a good reward for dominating the first half play with high quality passing football but as is the way when playing that way we gave up a soft equaliser. A mistake at the back allowing a one on one with the keeper and a dive for a penealty slotted with easy by one of the great names of English football; Sheringham (Charlie son of Ted).

The table is now settling down a bit as are Hamlet, Billericay obviously thriving on their enormous resource but Hamlet have now beaten a number of clubs in the play off places and despite a slow start that really should be our target. Chatting to the Dartford yesterday as is the way with non league they feel it is a much stronger league this year. There is a group of 4 teams who look like they will have a relegation battle but the rest is wide open, lots of tight games and good football to come, looking forward to it.

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I cant believe it we lost!! I missed the Dartford equaliser scored on 45 minutes! I was still in the bar and they kept the shutters down. I have non league paper, I dont who Chris Boast who filed the report is but he cant have been at the game! The gate is recorded as 222 perhaps only the Hamlet fans paid! Great day never the less and a nice pint of Adnams Ghost Ship and bag of dry roasted nuts for under a 5.

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I see The Heed unceremoniously thumped Dunston UTS 4-0. Shame but a chance to live the dream again next year and 40K to fund it!!!



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Sunday 21st of October 2018 10:50:43 AM

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The crowds are always down for the cup games as the club's only declare paid entries as receipts are split. Whereas in the league, they tend to declare paid season tickets and freebies, whether they are used it not.
Good win for Southport, even with 10 men and the worst referee we have seen for a long time.
I'm away for the next round, but I suppose you want a high profile draw at home with a chance of TV money, an away match at a well supported club(Sunderland) or a winnable match for the prize money.

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Southport did ok and got a non league home draw, cant complain really. Town play Wrexham tomorrow night in the replay and winners travel to Weston Super Mare - again, non league lower level team so cant complain too much but not really a money spinner tie. Got to beat Wrexham first though! Walsall v Coventry looks nice local derby match , probably my pick of the round.

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Don't count your chickens but Weston is a cracking draw! They have better and more mud at Weston than you get in the Dead Sea. My gran and grandad used to holiday in Weston every year must have been the fish and chips! The footie (and probably the chips complements of the legendary "Honkey Fletcher" who got a visit from Bryan Johnston when he came down our way) was always better at Worcester.

Weston are in danger of dropping off the bottom of what is a very tight National league south, along with three others. I wouldn't thing they would be out of place at Isthmian Prem standard. Agreed Walsall v Cov a cracker!

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