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Post Info TOPIC: Week 10 - Italy F2 - Santa Margherita di Pula ($25,000) (clay)


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Week 10 - Italy F2 - Santa Margherita di Pula ($25,000) (clay)


QR1:  (q2) Toby Martin WR 1216 (CH = 641 in Jun e 2015) vs Daniele Chiurulli (ITA) UNR (CH = 12453 in May 2013)

Billy Harris should be in the main draw.



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FQR:  (q2) Toby Martin WR 1216 defeated Daniele Chiurulli (ITA) UNR by 0 & 4



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L32:  (3) Tomislav Brkic (BIH) WR 251 (CH = 212 in June 2014) vs Billy Harris WR 648 (CH = 644 last month)



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Another great draw for Billy. NOT.

And if he does get through a couple of rounds, then there is a certain Thiemo de Bakker waiting in his section of the draw as well.

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A 250 ranked player is reasonable for a 25k Id say not sure about the draw complaints. If you are good enough you ll come through, there are regularly players of this level at 25k, Jay for example and hes playing 15s

You never hear us all moaning when our players get overranked players in draws for example, like the plodders that play Sharm and Turkey on a regular basis.

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Jaggy1876 wrote:

A 250 ranked player is reasonable for a 25k Id say not sure about the draw complaints. If you are good enough you ll come through, there are regularly players of this level at 25k, Jay for example and hes playing 15s

You never hear us all moaning when our players get overranked players in draws for example, like the plodders that play Sharm and Turkey on a regular basis.


 I dont think anyone is saying the guy shouldnt be playing in the tournament. I think its just that Billy has been a bit unlucky getting these guys more than once in the first or second rounds. 



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Jaggy1876 wrote:

A 250 ranked player is reasonable for a 25k Id say not sure about the draw complaints. If you are good enough you ll come through, there are regularly players of this level at 25k, Jay for example and hes playing 15s

You never hear us all moaning when our players get overranked players in draws for example, like the plodders that play Sharm and Turkey on a regular basis.


Actually we seem to comment quite a lot on when our players "get a decent draw".  Indiana is also correct. Top 250 players will be playing in 25ks and that is not a problem.  It just feels to me like Billy seems to draw seeded players more often than not in the 1st round.   Having said that, I haven't checked the stats on his 1st round draws and it is just a gut feeling.



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Yes, a draw's a draw, no complaints, and of course such a ranking is perfectly normal for 25Ks. But for general points gathering, steadily improving his ranking, which is the stage Billy is at rather than being likely around at the weekend ( though great if he is ) such draws are a bit unfortunate.

Yes, you've got to be prepared to play and beat the best players in the draw to actually win the tournament, but meeting them very early and thus making a literally pointless week more likely is not so good.

Hopefully Billy can still pull out a win and then of course he would have a non seed in R2.

And that's me commenting this time 



-- Edited by indiana on Sunday 4th of March 2018 11:27:06 AM

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Yes goes without saying you beat a top seed early round and the draw opens up nicely. If anything will help gathering points. Its almost an all or nothing scenario and breeds confidence as well.

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Yes, I feel using the term tough draw instead of unlucky draw is preferable. The two are not interchangeable in the sentiment they carry.

The suggestion that British players suffer definite misfortune in draws is one myself and others tend to contest.

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In the short term players certainly can be unlucky enough to get a few tough draws. If meaning tough relative to the field as a whole, in individual draws and say sometimes a few successive ones, there is to my mind an interchangeable element in the sentiment. You get bad luck and runs of bad luck. You get good luck and runs of good luck. You get neither good nor bad luck.

More generally and longer term I don't recall anyone suggesting that Brits have definite misfortune. I'd imagine virtually everyone appreciates that it's random and on the whole balances out over time and most certainly over British players as a whole.

As a forum overall I'd guess by a certain human nature no doubt the better draws are a bit more highlighted than the worse, by some more than others. But as Bob said, good/decent draws are still often pointed to. 

Not to have comment at all on how good/bad, lucky/unlucky, tough/easy or whatever draws are petceived as being would seem to me very strange.



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L16:  Wilson Leite (BRA) & Toby Martin CR 1886 (635+1251) vs Edoardo Eremin & Eduard Esteve (ITA/ESP) UNR (0+ [but a CH of 545 in November 2013]+722)
L16:  Billy Harris & Maciej Rajski (POL) CR 2440 (866+1574) vs (2) Thiemo de Bakker & Patrick Grigoriu (NED/ROU) CR 835 (566+269)



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To be honest, the discussion about hard or easy draws is academic - you can only play who is in front of you. Doesn't matter if they are higher or lower or not ranked at all or if they are young or old. Sometimes they bring their game on the day and they defeat the other player.

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L16:  Billy Harris & Maciej Rajski (POL) CR 2440 (866+1574) defeated (2) Thiemo de Bakker & Patrick Grigoriu (NED/ROU) CR 835 (566+269) by 3-6 6-4 [10-8] 



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Stircrazy wrote:

L32:  (3) Tomislav Brkic (BIH) WR 251 (CH = 212 in June 2014) vs Billy Harris WR 648 (CH = 644 last month)


L32:  (Q) Toby Martin WR 1214 vs (8) Thiemo de Bakker (NED) WR 340 (CH = 40 in July 2010 - how are the mighty fallen!)  bleh



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